Merchants are told they have “choices.” But do they? We unpack the Visa–Mastercard settlement, the honor all cards rule, and why surcharging still trips up pros. Listen now and tell us: does this help small businesses or not?

What happens when the rules that govern card acceptance start shifting under your feet? In this episode, we break down one of the most misunderstood and potentially far-reaching developments in payments: the evolving “Honor All Cards” framework and the broader interchange settlement proposals that could reshape how merchants accept, price, and manage card transactions.

Hosts Christopher Dryden and Jeremy Stock sit down with associate attorney Jessica Walsh to unpack the real mechanics behind the two-sided card network system, where incentives are constantly balanced between cardholders and merchants. They explore why the proposed rule changes may sound like merchant empowerment on paper, but in practice could introduce new layers of complexity, technology hurdles, and operational risks.

We unpack Visa and Mastercard’s proposed settlement, from “honor all cards” tweaks to surcharging changes, and ask whether merchants truly gain leverage or just new complexity. We share why education may be the only useful concession and where real savings could appear.

• how two-sided card networks shape incentives
• honor all cards rule history and limits
• proposed card category carve-outs and labeling
• feasibility for POS systems and staff training
• interchange reductions and tiered pricing effects
• the Amex-linked surcharge constraint and removal
• real-world compliance hurdles and fines risk
• why merchant education could drive practical gains

The conversation dives into the realities merchants face every day: distinguishing between card products, navigating interchange tiers, managing surcharging compliance, and understanding why “freedom of choice” in card acceptance often collides with business reality. Along the way, the team examines whether the proposed settlement truly delivers meaningful cost relief or functions more as strategic window dressing designed to maintain the status quo.

You’ll also hear practical insights into how data flows through the payments ecosystem, why POS systems may struggle to keep up with rule changes, and how merchant education could ultimately be the most valuable piece of the entire proposal.

If you work in merchant services, fintech, underwriting, compliance, or payments law, this episode gives you a clear lens into where network rules are headed and what it could mean for your clients, your portfolio, and the future of card acceptance.

**Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice. All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.**

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Stablecoins aren’t a side conversation anymore — they’re knocking on the front door of the payments ecosystem.

In this episode of the Payments Experts Podcast, we sit down with Adam T. Hark, managing member of Wellesley Hills Financial (https://www.wellesleyhillsfinancial.com/), for a wide-ranging, candid discussion on how stablecoins, tokenized deposits, and wallet-based payments could fundamentally reshape merchant acceptance, interchange economics, and the role of card networks.

We explore a provocative question most of the industry is quietly wrestling with: Are companies like Coinbase and Circle actually payments companies — and if so, what happens next? From Walmart-scale economics and closed-loop possibilities to the realities of consumer incentives, education gaps, and merchant readiness, this conversation cuts past headlines and into operational truth.

Adam breaks down where stablecoins realistically fit today (ACH, debit, and cash replacement), where they don’t (credit and rewards), and why JPMorgan’s tokenized deposit strategy may be the most underestimated development in modern payments. We also examine who bears responsibility for educating merchants, how ISOs and processors may be bypassed entirely in some models, and why free-market dynamics — not regulation alone — will determine winners and losers.

This episode is not about hype. It’s about what changes first, what breaks second, and what payments professionals need to understand now to stay relevant as rails, wallets, and value transfer evolve in real time.

If you work anywhere near payments strategy, merchant services, fintech infrastructure, or financial services M&A, this is a conversation you’ll want to hear.

**Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice. All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.**

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Ever wondered why that “free” POS hardware ends up costing so much later? Christopher Dryden, Esq., sits down with Magnolia Ventures’ Jessica Casto to pull back the curtain on modern payments strategy: how software-led distribution reshaped acquiring, why processor-agnostic design protects leverage, and where the fine print quietly shifts risk to the least prepared party. We move from the realities of US card economics—reward-heavy credit that pushes up costs—into the trenches of cash discounting and surcharging, where debit rules, tax exclusions, and state-by-state quirks can break a great pricing story if your product can’t adapt.

We talk through the rise of SaaS add-ons as vendors chase lost processing revenue, and we map the contract terms that matter most for ISVs, ISOs, and resellers: Schedule A transparency, onboarding responsibility, chargeback support, and residual ownership. Jessica shares a practical playbook for tech companies entering the US market—collect multiple processor proposals, compare effective margins not just splits, and engineer optionality so you can route, renegotiate, or switch without rewriting your stack. If you’re subsidizing hardware, pressure-test your payback periods against debit-heavy mixes and capped surcharges before you scale.

Education is a recurring theme. Too many operators and even CFOs don’t read merchant statements, miss pass-through fees, and get blindsided by portfolio-wide basis-point hikes. We make the case for productizing compliance: build configurable pricing engines that exclude tax, respect card-network caps, and flex with state regulations—and notify partners before merchants feel the change. If you sell software, payments isn’t an add-on; it’s a strategic capability. Tune in to learn how to negotiate liability, design durable revenue, and plan your exit on day one.

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**Matters discussed are all opinions and do not constitute legal advice. All events or likeness to real people and events is a coincidence.**

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