• Your Voice Is Your Most Valuable Business Asset with Heather Sager
    Jun 23 2026

    What if the thing keeping your content from landing isn't a missing strategy or the wrong platform, but the gap between how you actually communicate in real life and how you show up online?

    In this episode, I sit down with my friend Heather Sager, a high-performance coach for visionary and visible leaders who's got more than 1500 stages under her belt, to talk about why your voice is the most underrated asset in your business and what it takes to use it well.

    We get into what congruency actually means in your content, why short-form video is humbling even the most experienced speakers right now, and the concept Heather calls "creative atrophy", which is the subtle erosion happening in business owners who outsource their thinking to AI before they've done the work to clarify their own ideas.

    If you've been feeling like your content sounds flatter than it used to, or like you can't quite articulate the new direction your business is heading, this conversation will give you a much clearer picture of what's actually going on and what to do about it.

    Timeline Highlights
    • [00:00] – Why I clicked on Heather's "I just told a bunch of business owners to take a dump" post and knew I had to have her on the show

    • [03:01] – Heather's story of being a shy kid who became a person whose voice is her business

    • [09:20] – The skill Heather didn't realize was unique until she'd spent years developing it

    • [12:31] – Why questioning whether your stuff is good enough is the thing keeping you stuck

    • [16:09] – Niche transformation and why it feels harder to talk about new offers than established ones

    • [19:32] – The difference between processing, clarifying, and articulating your ideas

    • [24:41] – Short-form video as the humbling moment for established experts

    • [33:42] – Why looking stupid is part of the path to mastery on any new platform

    • [42:48] – Heather on building a business where she's the same person backstage as on stage

    • [51:08] – Creative atrophy and what happens when AI does the thinking your brain is supposed to do

    • [55:11] – The skill that'll separate highly paid experts from the commoditized in the next five years
    Top Quotes from the Episode
    1. "Your voice is your business. You're already on stages all the time. The only question is whether you're using them on purpose."

    2. "If you don't even think your stuff is good, you can't expect anyone else to see you as an authority."

    3. "Processing your ideas, clarifying your ideas, and articulating your ideas aren't the same thing. Most people treat them like they are, and that's exactly why their messaging isn't landing."

    4. "Being good at speaking off the cuff isn't a personality trait. It's a skill that gets sharper with practice and dulls when you stop using it."

    5. "You've earned the right to skip the line, but business doesn't work that way. Every new platform asks you to be a humble beginner again."

    6. "When you let AI do the thinking your brain is supposed to be doing, the part of you that generates original ideas starts to atrophy. Six months later, you can't write an email without it."

    7. "The thing that'll separate the highly paid expert from the commoditized one over the next five years isn't output. It's the willingness to keep doing the hard creative work yourself."

    8. "Show up the way you talk. Get better at talking. The right people will recognize you faster than any polished version ever could."

    Links & Resources
    • Connect with Heather Sager

    • Heather's free guide: 19 Magnetic Phrases

    • Heather's podcast: Hint of Hustle

    • Take the "What's Your CEO Type?" Quiz

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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • What Selling a $12,000 Mastermind From Zero Taught Me About Conviction
    Jun 16 2026

    What would it look like to sell something that doesn't technically exist yet, with no testimonials, no returning cohort, and almost no runway?

    That's exactly what I've been doing this month with The Decision Room, a $12,000 six-month mastermind I built from scratch and started selling before I had a single person in it.

    The most important thing I learned in the process had nothing to do with marketing tactics. It had everything to do with what was holding the offer up when there was nothing tangible behind it.

    In this episode, I'm walking you through the full behind-the-scenes of this launch: what I did that most marketers would call unhinged, the moment I almost talked myself out of running it, and the one shift that changed how I sell.

    If your sales have felt harder lately and you can't quite name why, this episode is going to give you a sharper way to look at the problem.

    Timeline Highlights
    • [00:00] – Selling a $12,000 mastermind with no cohort, no testimonials, and a launch built almost entirely on conviction

    • [01:10] – Why launching a mastermind from zero is one of the hardest things to sell as an online business owner

    • [01:57] – Why declining sales at the six-figure level usually isn't a tactics problem

    • [02:42] – The two ways conviction erodes: outgrowing your offer vs. never fully committing to it

    • [05:54] – The Decision Room Mastermind: what it is, who it's for, and why the deadline matters

    • [09:28] – What it meant to sell this offer when the only thing holding it up was personal belief

    • [15:54] – Breaking the marketing rules: no launch event, no runway, no existing cohort feeding renewals

    • [38:46] – The unconventional outreach moves: cold DMs, competitor asks, former coaches, and a networking group

    • [50:10] – What changed when I stopped pre-deciding people's answers and started asking directly
    Top Quotes from the Episode
    1. "You cannot sell what you have not fully decided to sell."

    1. "When you're selling something that doesn't exist yet, the only thing carrying it in those early days is how much you believe in it."

    1. "How somebody buys from you is always a reflection of your conviction, and you can't talk your way around a belief that you don't have."

    1. "Sometimes you literally need to make less money in the short term to be faithful to the thing you're creating, so it can grow for the long run."

    1. "I stopped pre-deciding people's answers for them. I stopped assuming they'd say no. I stopped assuming they'd be weirded out. I just decided to ask."

    1. "If you can ideate something and go sell it before you've built it, you can pretty much do anything in business. That's the skill."

    1. "I named the offer after the mechanism, not the outcome, and I trusted my buyer to be smart enough to understand why that matters."

    Links & Resources
    • The Decision Room Mastermind: jointhedecisionroom.com

    • CEO Type Quiz: lauraschoenfeld.com/quiz

    Follow the podcast, leave a review if it resonated, and share this one with anyone who's been finding sales harder lately than it should be.

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    1 hr and 4 mins
  • How Jillian Greaves Tripled Her Revenue by Making the Decisions She Couldn't Make Alone
    Jun 9 2026

    What if the thing keeping you stuck at six figures isn't a missing strategy, but a series of decisions you've been quietly putting off?

    In this episode, I sit down with Jillian Greaves, a functional medicine dietitian who spent two years in my mastermind during the stretch where her entire business changed.

    When she came to me she was doing around a hundred thousand a year and drowning, seeing clients five days a week, working every weekend, saying yes to everyone. She wasn't frozen. She was making decisions constantly. She just couldn't see the full picture of her own business, so the biggest calls kept getting parked.

    We walk through how she finally made them: moving off insurance and into private pay, building a structured program instead of selling sessions one at a time, adding a group offer and a low-cost entry point, and eventually hiring and training a team she trusted. Her revenue more than tripled in that first year, and she did it while working less, not more.

    If you're somewhere between six and multi-six figures and you've got a running list of decisions you keep meaning to make, this conversation will show you what changes when you stop deciding alone.

    Timeline Highlights
    • [00:00] – Jillian on making decisions from her expertise instead of from what clients ask for

    • [00:42] – The decision-debt framing: why you're not stuck because you can't decide, you're stuck because you can't see the full picture

    • [06:05] – What being in the room, in person, did for Jillian that no Zoom call could

    • [11:00] – Where Jillian started: a six-figure business that looked successful and felt like a hamster wheel

    • [14:24] – The cost she was paying physically and the moment she knew it wasn't sustainable

    • [17:11] – The first big shifts: a structured offer, moving to private pay, systemizing, and her first hire

    • [22:01] – The result of those changes, including more than tripling her revenue the first year

    • [25:01] – Building the group program and getting over the fear that people only get results one-on-one

    • [36:11] – Hiring a practitioner team and the shift from working in the business to working on it

    • [38:51] – What her week looks like now: a day and a half of clients, full weekends, real flex time

    • [41:55] – Jillian's advice to her past self: don't be afraid to get in the room with people who've done it

    Top Quotes from the Episode
    1. "When I make changes and make decisions from the place of not having an offer just because someone said they want it, and actually creating a thoughtful offer based on my expertise and what I know is going to help people, the impact is profound."

    2. "I had zero boundaries. I was also afraid to have boundaries, like, is that going to hurt my business?"

    3. "I was carrying a really heavy stress load, even though I was so excited about the work I was doing, so proud of the work I was doing. But it just didn't feel right."

    4. "The fear and the limiting beliefs pop up and get a lot louder when I'm on the verge of doing something really big and exciting and making a really impactful change."

    5. "If you make a change and it doesn't work out, what's the worst that can happen? You make an adjustment and go in a different direction."

    6. "Putting more responsibility on the client and getting that active participation is a win-win for everyone."

    7. "Don't be afraid to invest in yourself and your business and get in the room with people that have done what you want to do. Single-handedly, it's been the best thing I did in my business."

    Links & Resources
    • Apply for the Decision Room Mastermind: https://jointhedecisionroom.com (applications due June 19th)

    • CEO Type Quiz: https://lauraschoenfeld.com/quiz

    • Connect with Jillian Greaves: https://www.jilliangreaves.com

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    49 mins
  • The Growth Ceiling Diagnostic: Why You Can't See Your Own Business Bottleneck
    Jun 2 2026

    If you've built a six-figure business, you know how to make money. The problem is that at some point, the strategies that got you there stopped being enough, and now you're putting in more effort than ever while the needle barely moves.

    In this episode, I'm walking through the Growth Ceiling Diagnostic: the five core areas of your business where a bottleneck could be hiding, and the three lens problems that are most likely distorting what you think you're seeing. Because you can't fix a bottleneck you're misdiagnosing, and when you're this close to your own business, you're almost always misdiagnosing it.

    This episode was originally a Substack Live, and it's the exact kind of diagnostic work I do with clients inside The Decision Room Mastermind.

    If you're an established founder who keeps circling the same decisions and you're ready to actually break through, this one's for you.

    Timeline Highlights
    • [00:00] – Why working harder isn't moving the needle for six and seven-figure founders

    • [02:00] – The real reason the ceiling feels invisible: being too close to your own business to see it accurately

    • [06:00] – Introducing the three diagnostic lenses: belief, knowledge, and decision

    • [09:00] – Why the knowledge trap is dangerous and when more information actually is the problem

    • [11:00] – The five core areas where bottlenecks show up: identity, offer, sales, messaging, systems

    • [13:00] – Identity as a bottleneck: how self-knowledge gaps and misaligned beliefs run the business from the background

    • [17:00] – Offer bottlenecks: the kitchen sink offer, the belief that clients need unlimited access to you, and how both stall growth

    • [21:00] – A personal example: shutting down a multimillion-dollar program and what that decision unlocked

    • [25:00] – Sales bottlenecks: how unfounded beliefs about audience readiness suppress conversion before a sale is even attempted

    • [29:00] – Messaging in 2026: why market sophistication has outpaced most people's messaging, and what AI can't fix

    • [34:00] – Systems as a bottleneck: the cost of keeping everything running through you

    • [38:00] – Self-diagnosis questions for each of the five areas

    • [42:00] – Why you can't find the real bottleneck alone, and what to do about it

    • [45:00] – The Decision Room Mastermind: who it's for and what we're doing inside

    Top Quotes from the Episode
    1. "The fact that you're so close to your business is exactly what makes the real constraint invisible to you. You think you're seeing the problem. You're just seeing the filter."

    2. "You cannot read the label from inside the prescription bottle. This isn't about intelligence or capability. It's literally just how your brain works when it's this close to something."

    3. "AI works on a law of averages. It buffs the edges off your messaging and makes you sound like everyone else. The precision has to come from you."

    4. "A belief problem doesn't mean you're broken. It means you're swimming in water you can't see because it's your environment. Someone else has to point it out."

    5. "Mediocre messaging isn't going to work in 2026. The market has gotten more sophisticated and most people's messaging hasn't come with it."

    6. "The founders who break through plateaus are the ones who get clear on what's actually running the show behind their business, then have the courage and clarity to actually change it."

    7. "When you fix a bottleneck, you'll find another one. That's how business works. The goal is to find the biggest one and give it your full attention so the effort you're putting in is actually landing."

    Links & Resources
    • CEO Type Quiz: lauraschoenfeld.com/quiz

    • Apply to The Decision Room Mastermind (open through June 19, 2026): jointhedecisionroom.com

    • Instagram: @laura.schoenfeld

    If this episode gave you a clearer picture of where you're stuck, share it with a founder who's been circling the same decisions, and follow the podcast so you don't miss what's next.

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    55 mins
  • The Decision Debt Audit: What Indecision Is Actually Costing Your Business
    May 26 2026

    You already know indecision is costing you. What you probably haven't done is calculate exactly how much.

    In this episode, I'm walking you through the decision debt audit, a structured process I built after watching highly capable, established business owners sit stuck on the same decisions for months. We're going through five categories of common business decisions, attaching real dollar amounts to the ones that have been sitting unresolved, and diagnosing the specific blocks keeping each one open.

    If you've been meaning to make a decision that keeps getting pushed, this is the episode that will finally move it.

    Timeline Highlights
    • [00:00] – Why indecision is a business expense and how to calculate the true cost of decision debt

    • [02:24] – What the decision debt audit is and who it's built for

    • [04:22] – Why highly capable, multi-six-figure entrepreneurs are the ones most affected by open decisions

    • [06:35] – How to run the audit: grab your notebook and open to a fresh page

    • [08:25] – Category 1: Offer and program structure decisions that haven't been finalized

    • [10:51] – Category 2: Pricing decisions, including overdue price increases and underpriced offers

    • [13:32] – Category 3: Team and operations, from underperforming hires to missing SOPs

    • [15:55] – Category 4: Marketing and messaging, platform decisions, launch plans, and content that hasn't shipped

    • [18:45] – Category 5: Big-picture business model and direction decisions

    • [21:17] – How to calculate the dollar cost of each open decision and total your decision debt balance

    • [35:06] – The seven blocks that keep smart entrepreneurs in decision paralysis

    • [49:20] – Solo problems vs. room problems: how to know which intervention you need

    • [01:00:21] – Introducing The Decision Room mastermind and what it's designed to do
    Top Quotes from This Episode
    1. "Your business moves at the speed of the slowest decision you're not making."

    2. "The cost of staying stuck in indecision looks completely different once you see the actual dollar amount. It's just another line item on your P&L."

    3. "The information you actually need to make a better decision lives on the other side of making the next best decision. You won't get it until you take action."

    4. "You cannot read the label from inside the bottle. That's what happens when you're making decisions that require objective input and a perspective you don't have access to from where you're standing."

    5. "Unmade decisions don't stay neutral. They accumulate. They compound. And at best, next year's version of that number stays the same. More likely, it grows."

    6. "The smartest people struggle most with indecision because they see too many angles. The people who don't struggle are usually the ones who aren't seeing the full picture."

    7. "A decision that feels like a verdict on your identity is almost never actually about the decision. It's about what your brain has decided that choice means about who you are."

    Links & Resources
    • The Decision Room Mastermind – Apply Now (applications close June 19th or when 15 spots fill)

    • Previous episode: Why Smart Entrepreneurs Struggle to Make Decisions

    • DM me MASTERMIND on Instagram @laura.schoenfeld

    • Take the CEO Type Quiz

    If this episode landed, follow the podcast, leave a review, and send it to a business owner who's been putting off a decision they already know the answer to.

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    1 hr and 10 mins
  • How to Find Your Distinctive Edge in a Saturated Market with Megan Yelaney
    May 19 2026

    What if the reason your messaging stopped converting isn't that your strategy is off, but that you've slowly diluted yourself into something so safe and palatable that no one can tell why they should pick you?

    Today I'm joined by messaging expert Megan Yelaney, a business strategist who has worked with over a thousand coaches to help them find what she calls their distinctive edge.

    We talk about the slow drift into vanilla messaging that happens to most experienced business owners after big growth or big life changes, why courses and evergreen funnels stopped feeling right for both of us after becoming moms, and how Megan rebuilt her entire business around the one thing she always loved doing.

    We also get into the difference between a niche and an edge, why your pre-business life is one of the most underused parts of your story, and how to translate something complex about who you are into a marketable phrase that people actually understand. Megan even runs a mini coaching session on me in real time to show how this works, which was both clarifying and slightly humbling.

    If you've been feeling like your content sounds like everyone else's, or like you've lost the thread of what made people choose you in the first place, this conversation will give you a way back to it.

    Timeline Highlights
    • [00:00] – Why polished messaging often signals that something deeper is off

    • [03:43] – Megan's journey from network marketing to health coaching to building a multi-million dollar business

    • [07:11] – What happened when business success and a struggling marriage collided

    • [08:22] – The trap of "vanilla messaging" and how disclaimer culture diluted her brand

    • [09:27] – The identity shift after becoming a mom of twins, and why the prepared business model didn't fit anymore

    • [14:30] – Why the course-and-funnel model felt off even when it theoretically should have worked

    • [19:08] – The exact framework Megan uses to find a distinctive edge: story, framework, and ideal client

    • [22:25] – The simple client audit exercise that surfaces the through line in your work

    • [28:58] – Why personality and approach often matter more than uniqueness of method

    • [38:30] – Megan coaches me live on identifying my own domino belief

    • [44:00] – Why you need to give yourself permission to experiment with messaging language

    Top Quotes from the Episode
    1. "Your message gets so diluted and so vanilla because you're trying not to offend anyone, and the result is you stop sounding like yourself entirely."

    2. "I had built a business around the person I used to be when I was coaching, and the second I came back from maternity leave I realized I didn't want to talk about any of it anymore."

    3. "If someone landed on your page right now, would they be able to say what you do differently or why they would choose you over anyone else? If the answer is no, that's the work."

    4. "Your distinctive edge is the trifecta of your story, your framework, and your ideal client. There's never going to be a copy of all three at once."

    5. "You don't have to reinvent the wheel for your method to be unique. The personality you bring, the approach you take, and the lived experience behind it are doing more of the work than the framework itself."

    6. "Most people try to leave their pre-business life out of their story, when that's actually the part that makes them the obvious choice over someone without that background."

    7. "If you're not excited at the thought of making twenty or thirty thousand a month from this offer, then it's not just a money problem. The offer itself isn't right."

    Links & Resources
    • Megan's Main Character Energy private podcast series

    • Follow Megan on Instagram
    • Megan's podcast, Business Not As Usual (where Laura was a recent guest)

    • CEO Type Quiz: https://www.lauraschoenfeld.com/quiz

    If this conversation gave you something to work with, follow the podcast, leave a review if it lands, and send it to someone whose messaging has been feeling a little too safe lately.

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    48 mins
  • Why Smart Entrepreneurs Get Stuck in Indecision (And How To Make Decisions Faster)
    May 12 2026
    At a certain point, decisions stop feeling manageable. You're not short on intelligence or strategy — you're spinning. The same questions keep resurfacing, the same decisions stay unresolved, and the cost of that indecision is quietly compounding in ways most entrepreneurs never stop to calculate. In this solo episode, I'm breaking down why really smart business owners struggle most with making decisions, what it's actually costing you, and how to get out of indecision quickly. We're covering seven specific patterns that keep experienced entrepreneurs stuck, plus research-backed tools that actually work (and it's not just more journaling or sleeping on it.) I'm also sharing some of my own decision-making struggles this year and announcing something exciting that I've been thinking about for a long time. If you've ever felt like indecision is slowing your business down more than any strategy gap ever could, this episode is going to reframe the whole thing! Timeline Highlights [02:57] Why indecision shows up across every program I'm running right now [04:45] The real cost of indecision beyond just a delayed decision [10:25] Cost #1: The cognitive drain of unresolved decisions and the open tab analogy [13:09] Cost #2: How waiting closes opportunities you didn't realize were closing [14:50] Cost #3: What chronic indecision does to your nervous system [16:24] Cost #4: The self-trust recession and why this is the most expensive long-term cost [19:30] Why staying stuck in indecision is still a decision — just one made by default [20:11] The 7 reasons smart entrepreneurs get stuck [20:56] Reason #1: You're solving the wrong problem entirely [27:46] Reason #2: An unrelated emotion is running the show [33:00] Why somatic work and EMDR can be part of the decision-making process [34:28] Reason #3: The decision has become a verdict on your identity [41:16] Reason #4: Trying to solve for every possible future before taking the first step [46:12] Reason #5: The real constraint hasn't been identified yet [52:13] Reason #6: Waiting for certainty that only comes after the decision is made [58:30] Reason #7: The decision requires a bigger identity than you've stepped into yet [1:04:47] How to identify which block you're actually in before choosing a tool [1:05:30] Tool #1: Making the case for the option you've been avoiding [1:07:24] Tool #2: Running a pre-mortem (Gary Klein's research) [1:10:32] Tool #3: Self-distancing — what would you tell a client in your situation? [1:11:54] Tool #4: Turning your decision into an if-then plan [1:13:41] Tool #5: Writing down the decision and scheduling a 90-day review [1:17:20] Why making imperfect decisions is how decision-making capacity gets built [1:18:01] Announcing The Decision Room — my new six-month mastermind Top 5 Quotes "Indecision is not an intelligence issue. Honestly, the smarter you are, the more you deal with indecision — because you see so many different angles and you think so much." "The cost of indecision, whether short-term or long-term, is almost guaranteed to be higher than the cost of making a decision that did not turn out the way you wanted." "Certainty is not a prerequisite for a good decision. It's the byproduct of one. You will never have certainty about how a decision is going to work out until you've made it and actually given it a run for its money." "Every time you can't pull the trigger, your brain files that as a data point to build the belief that you are someone who doesn't trust yourself." "Being a person who makes decisions and trusts your ability to figure things out is literally the most important skill that you can build as an entrepreneur." Links & Resources The Decision Room Mastermind (launching July 2026): DM "mastermind" on Instagram to learn more and applyTake the CEO Type Quiz: lauraschoenfeld.com/quizConnect with Laura on Instagram: @laura.schoenfeld Closing Thoughts If this episode gave you clarity on why you've been spinning — follow, rate, and leave a review. It helps more business owners find conversations like this. And if you know someone who's been stuck on the same decision for months, send this their way.
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  • The Smarter Way for Solopreneurs to Build a Team with Interns with Brittany Braswell
    May 5 2026

    At a certain point in your business, it becomes obvious you cannot keep doing everything yourself and expect to keep growing. You need support. But what happens when hiring a team actually makes your business less profitable and more complicated?

    In this episode, I'm joined by Brittany Braswell to unpack a smarter, more sustainable way to delegate without immediately jumping into expensive hires. We're talking about how to leverage interns strategically so you can get out of the weeds, protect your profit margins, and build real systems that support long-term growth.

    If you've ever felt stuck between burnout and overhiring, this conversation will give you a completely new way to think about building a team.

    Timeline Highlights

    [03:19] Brittany shares how her early experience with interns shaped her entire business model
    [06:15] Why most people have a negative experience with interns and what usually goes wrong
    [09:07] The biggest mistake that turns internships into a time drain instead of a business asset
    [11:21] How defining clear roles and repeatable tasks changes everything
    [12:32] Why a simple training process eliminates constant hand holding
    [16:09] The mindset shift high-performing CEOs need to delegate effectively
    [20:05] How internships force you to build systems and stop doing everything yourself
    [21:16] Why you should not wait until things are perfect before delegating
    [23:38] The role of structure in protecting creativity and increasing efficiency
    [26:02] How to decide between hiring paid help or starting with interns
    [29:04] Why repetition helps interns become faster and better than you at certain tasks
    [30:39] Examples of tasks Brittany successfully delegates like blogging and research
    [33:24] Where to find high quality interns and how to attract the right people
    [35:15] What Brittany looks for in the application and hiring process
    [41:54] What motivates unpaid interns to do great work
    [50:20] How overhiring paid team members can destroy your profit margins
    [51:25] Using interns to support paid team members and increase efficiency

    Top 5 Quotes from Brittany

    "Interns become a really fantastic way to force you into some structure and force you into some systems and push you out of that mindset of 'it's faster for me to just do it myself.'"

    "Having really clear roles, a simple repeatable training process, and defined tasks removes the hand holding and protects your mental capacity as a CEO."

    "If you get stuck in the mindset of 'it's faster for me,' it's not actually faster if you have to do it forever. Delegation is what creates long term efficiency."

    "Most tasks in your business do not require a high level of expertise and when someone does them repeatedly, they often become faster and better at them than you."

    "People want to learn from you even if you are just a few steps ahead and that value exchange is what makes internships so powerful."

    Links & Resources
    • Brittany's Free Limited Podcast Series: Learn how to start delegating and building a team of interns
    • Intern Accelerator Program: Step by step support to launch your internship program in 8 to 10 weeks
    • Connect with Brittany on Instagram: @brittanybraswellrd
    • Take the CEO Type Quiz: lauraschoenfeld.com/quiz
    Closing Thoughts

    If this episode got your wheels turning, make sure to follow, rate, and leave a review. It helps more business owners find conversations like this. And if you know someone who is stuck doing everything themselves, share this episode with them.

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    57 mins