This isn't a conversation about aging. It's a conversation about truth.

There comes a season when everything you used to do to hold it all together... stops working.

The pushing. The perfectionism. The hyper-independence. The overriding. The armor.

And eventually, the body, wise as ever, says: no more.

Somatic experiencing practitioner Natasha Pampin has walked this threshold herself. At 39, when perimenopause began, she told her gynecologist, "You're wrong," and spent years trying to think her way around the very thing her body was asking her to feel.

Sound familiar?

This is one of the most honest conversations I've ever had on this show. We talk about numbness, grief, nervous system survival patterns, identity collapse, menopause, perimenopause, and what it actually looks like to stop abandoning yourself, not as theory, but as lived experience.

And yes... this one got personal.

I share openly about my own journey through menopause, emotional overwhelm, collapse, healing, and the long process of learning how to listen to my body instead of override it.

Because what if the numbness so many women feel isn't dysfunction at all? What if it's protection? What if it's survival? What if your body has been speaking all along?

This conversation beautifully breaks down somatics in a deeply human way, especially for the woman who says: "I don't even know what I feel anymore."

Together, Natasha and I explore what happens when a woman can no longer continue living disconnected from herself, and how menopause can become less of a breakdown and more of a sacred initiation into truth, softness, self-trust, and what many call the second spring.

In This Episode

- Why so many women in perimenopause and menopause go numb, and why numbness is still the body communicating

- What somatic healing actually means, especially if you've struggled to feel anything at all

- The hidden nervous system patterns beneath perfectionism, over-functioning, and burnout

- How unresolved grief and trauma live in the body

- The difference between reacting to life and responding to it

- Why healing happens in relationship, not isolation

- The body's incredible intelligence and capacity to guide us home to ourselves

- Menopause as initiation, not decline

- What it means to soften after a lifetime of bracing

About Natasha Pampin Natasha Pampin is a somatic experiencing practitioner supporting women through perimenopause, menopause, trauma, nervous system healing, and the profound threshold of becoming. Find her at natashapampin.com and look for the Perimenopause Care section.

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This isn't a conversation about supplements. It's a conversation about energy, clarity, and coming back to life.

If you're exhausted, foggy, depleted, or wondering if this is simply what midlife feels like now... this conversation matters.

Because I was there too.

When I first met Chris Burris, chief scientist and founder of My Vital C, I was still deep in the grief portal, hormonal repair, and a heaviness I didn't have language for yet.

And then something began to change.

Not overnight. Not magically. But because I was introduced to something that works at the level of the mitochondria, the energy systems inside the body that impact everything from mental clarity and nervous system regulation to sleep, inflammation, vitality, and resilience.

Chris has been manufacturing the C60 molecule commercially since 1991, five years before the scientists who discovered it won the Nobel Prize. What began as a scientific pursuit eventually evolved into a wellness breakthrough now getting attention from some of the most trusted voices in biohacking and longevity.

But what matters most to me is this: I felt the difference.

And then I watched nine women on my retreat feel it too. Three days in, every single one of them noticed a shift. More clarity. More presence. More energy. Better sleep. Less fog. Feeling more like themselves.

That's when I knew I needed to bring Chris onto Fire and Soul.

In This Episode

• Why so many women in midlife feel foggy, depleted, and exhausted
• The hidden role mitochondria play in energy, sleep, focus, and resilience
• Chris's BOSS Theory and how stressed mitochondria impact the whole body
• Why you take it in the morning and often sleep better at night
• The retreat experience that made me pay attention
• Skin changes, energy shifts, and the three-month arc many people experience
• Pets, longevity research, and the surprising breadth of testimonials
• What it feels like to finally come back online after depletion

About Chris Burres

Chris Burres is the chief scientist and founder of My Vital C and has been manufacturing the C60 molecule commercially since 1991. He's a published author, longevity researcher, and one of the longest-standing manufacturers of this molecule in the world. Find him at myvitalc.com.

Resources

Get My Vital C with Michelle's discount here.

Chris's book Live Longer and Better is available on Amazon. Signed copies are available through the landing page, and 100% of the signature proceeds support Operation Underground Railroad.

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Danielle Amos is the founder of the Mystic Millionaire Movement. You'd expect this conversation to be about money.

It's not. It's about the moment you stop letting go of the dream to feel safe.

"What most people do is let go of the goal in order to feel comfortable." The moment she said it, something in me woke all the way up.

Danielle is one of Bob Proctor's top consultants, has helped create over two dozen millionaires, and studied his work so closely that he called her his protégé. And this past year, while navigating a very public separation, she also fell in love with a man she wrote into existence, attribute by attribute, in a journal she kept before she even knew who he was.

This is our reunion episode and the first conversation I've recorded from Santa Barbara. We didn't plan what happened here. Somewhere in the middle of it, this became a live coaching session for me, and I think you're going to feel exactly why.

Get ready, this one will move through you like a wildfire!

In this episode

• Why most people drop the goal the moment the body resists it, and what to do instead
• The real difference between identity and self-image, and why the identity conversation online is missing something critical
• The law of sacrifice, and why leveling up doesn't have to cost you what you love
• What Danielle would want to say to Bob Proctor today, and where his work needs to go next
• How she wrote her relationship into existence, in three parts, before she knew who he was
• What it actually looks like to stay in your feminine when life is asking you to carry it all
• The live moment in this episode where I recognized my own next big leap mid-conversation
• What the amusement park metaphor gets right about healing, shadow work, and when it's time to get off the ride

About Danielle Amos

Danielle Amos is the founder of the Mystic Millionaire Movement, a success coach, and one of Bob Proctor's top one percent consultants. She's helped create over two dozen millionaires and brings together the principles of abundance, energetics, and Universal Law in a way that's both practical and deeply transformative.

Find Danielle at danielleamos.co and on Instagram at @thedanielleamos.

Resources

Before this episode, Danielle had me on her show and that conversation is one of my favorites. Listen to Episode 41 of The Mystic Millionaire Podcast: God as Your Business Partner: How Surrender Can Skyrocket Your Success. Find it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or at danielleamos.co/podcast.

Work with me

I've done a full overhaul on my world and there are beautiful new ways for us to connect, work together, and activate your gifts. Visit michelle-sorro.com to explore everything that's available and find what's right for you right now.

Let's connect

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If you've been on a journey of growth, awakening, or reinvention and it's felt heavier than you thought it would, this episode is for you.

I'd been sitting with a question for months: do I actually want to keep Fire and Soul going? Nine years in and I really wasn't sure. Then I sat down with Danielle Amos for a conversation dropping next week, and within five minutes I had my answer. Yes. But I'm only here for the conversations that truly matter. The ones that meet you where this moment in human evolution actually is.

I think a lot of us are at an inflection point right now. We've done the shadow work. We've faced the hard things. And we're starting to ask a new question. Not "what do I need to heal?" but "what am I actually here to create?"

That's the frequency Fire and Soul is coming back on.

In this episode I'm sharing what cracked open for me during a quantum leap from Austin to Santa Barbara, not because my story is the point, but because the pattern in it might mirror something you're living too. The moment the grief portal closes and something new wants to come through. The moment you stop waiting to feel ready and just say yes.

IN THIS EPISODE

Why so many of us are moving from healing mode into creation mode right now. What it looks like when life asks you to make a leap you didn't plan for. Why healing was never meant to be the final destination. How to trust your timing even when it looks nothing like someone else's. What's coming on Fire and Soul and why it might matter more to you now than ever before.

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If you’ve ever felt like your body turned against you somewhere in your 40s or 50s and no one had real answers... this episode is for you.

I sat down with Dr. Shivani Gupta, PhD, Ayurvedic practitioner, founder of Fusionary Formulas, and author of The Inflammation Code (Hay House) for one of the most illuminating conversations we have had on Fire and Soul. We went deep on what is really happening in midlife, why inflammation is the root of so much of what we are experiencing, and how a 5,000 year old system of wisdom is giving us answers that modern medicine is just now catching up to.

Dr. Shivani grew up in Houston, spent her childhood sick and cycling through antibiotics, and eventually made her way to Ayurvedic healing centers across India in search of answers. What she found changed everything, and now she has dedicated her life to bringing that wisdom to the West in a way that is accessible, practical, and deeply grounding.

This conversation will meet you exactly where you are.

In this episode we cover:

What inflammation actually is (acute vs. chronic) and why most of us are walking around with a low grade forest fire burning underneath the surface

The term Dr. Shivani coined that stopped me in my tracks: mental inflammation, and why no amount of green juice will save you if you are not addressing this piece first

The three Elemental Design types from Ayurveda (Vata, Pitta, Kapha) and how knowing yours changes everything from what you eat to how you exercise to why hot yoga might actually be working against you

Why Pitta women in menopause need to stop choosing the hottest, hardest, most intense option and what cooling actually looks like in practice

The gut microbiome and why the antibiotics so many of us took as kids may have set the stage for what we are experiencing now in midlife

How circadian rhythm, copper tongue scraping, super spices, and a simple cup of tea can become the foundation of a sustainable reset

The 14 day Inflammation Reset inside the book and where to start for free if you are not ready to dive in all the way

How Human Design, Gene Keys, Vedic astrology, and Ayurveda can layer together into a dashboard of self understanding unlike anything else available to us right now

And the reminder that moved me most: we are sovereign in our health. We have always had more power than we were told.

If this episode finds you in the thick of it, know this: what you are experiencing is real. It has a name. It has roots. And there is a path through it that does not require you to suffer in silence or white knuckle your way to the other side.

This is exactly the kind of conversation Fire and Soul exists for.

Resources Mentioned:

The Inflammation Code by Dr. Shivani Gupta >> drshivani.com

Elemental Design Quiz (discover your Ayurvedic constitution) >> drshivani.com

Free 7 Day Inflammation Detox >> 7dayinflammationdetox.com

Get Quiet by Elaine Glass (Hay House) >> https://elaineglass.com/book

Connect with Dr. Shivani Gupta:

Website >> drshivani.com

Instagram >> https://www.instagram.com/dr.shivanigupta

Loved this episode?

Screenshot it, share it to your stories, and tag me and Dr. Shivani. There is a woman in your life who needs to hear that her body is not broken. Send this to her today.

And if Fire and Soul has been a source of truth, comfort, or awakening for you, leaving a review means the world and helps more women find their way here.

With so much love,

Michelle

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There's a version of this conversation happening everywhere right now. Most of it feels inflated. Or incomplete. This one isn't.

Eight years of Fire and Soul. This is the first time I've opened this door.

I brought on Tiffany Hurd of Golden Rule. She's spent over a decade inside this work. The way she speaks about these medicines stopped me the moment I heard her.

This conversation has lived behind closed doors for a long time. Private conversations. Personal experiences. Careful discernment around what gets shared.

Because this space requires that level of care.

It's nuanced. It's powerful. It's subtle. And it's often misunderstood.

We go into what these medicines actually are. How people are really using them. Where things get blurry. Where things get irresponsible. And what it looks like to approach this work with discernment.

What microdosing actually is beyond the surface conversation. The difference between medicines people tend to group together. Why dosing, rhythm, and intention shape the entire experience. Where the line gets crossed without people realizing it. What happens when this work is rushed. And what begins to open when it's approached with respect.

No performance. Just grounded truth. Real experience. Clear language.

If this is something you've been drawn toward, questioning, or exploring...

Listen in.

And if you’re ready to explore these medicines with more clarity and support, you can learn more about Tiffany’s work and Golden Rule here.

Show Resources

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What if money isn't something to chase, control, or fear, but a mirror of how deeply you're willing to remember who you are?

This conversation with Elizabeth Ralph is one I will return to again and again.

Elizabeth is the founder of The Spiritual Investor, host of The Spiritual Investor Podcast, and the guide behind a rapidly growing global movement that is reframing wealth, investing, and financial freedom through a lens most people were never taught: energy, consciousness, and self-expression.

But this episode goes far beyond money.

What unfolded here felt like a transmission about sacred remembrance.

We explore what happens when you stop treating money as something separate from love, truth, or spiritual growth, and instead recognize it as an energetic reflection of your identity, your standards, and your willingness to choose the life that is calling you forward.

If you've ever felt the tension between the spiritual path and the material world... If you've wondered how wealth and awakening actually coexist... Or if you're standing on the edge of a bigger life and can hear the old fears whispering...

this conversation will meet you exactly where you are.

I first discovered Elizabeth through the brilliant Luke Storey's podcast, The Life Stylist, and I remember listening to their conversation three times in two days because no one was talking about money like this.

Her perspective is precise, embodied, and deeply liberating.

And in this episode, we go even deeper.

We talk about the moment Elizabeth chose to redefine freedom on her own terms. Why certainty, not strategy, is the real foundation of wealth. How effortless action emerges when your identity expands. Why spiritual people often unconsciously block money. And why the deepest work may simply be learning to drop the past in real time.

Something Elizabeth shared that I am still sitting with:

The version of you three months from now who is already living in the expanded place believes in it just as much as you believe in your current reality.

There is no more evidence for one than the other. There never was.

Which means the only thing that changes everything is what you choose to believe right now.

At the heart of it all is something deceptively simple.

Money is not separate from love.

And when you begin to live from that truth, everything changes.

In this episode, we explore

• Elizabeth's radical definition of money and why she sees money as love
• The kangaroo on a beach in Australia that sparked the question that changed her life
• Why certainty is the real currency behind wealth creation
• How identity expansion naturally changes the way money flows into your life
• The difference between efficiency and true effortless action
• Why spiritual people often unconsciously block money while doing everything "right"
• How investing can become an act of empowerment rather than fear
• The energetic shift that happens when you choose first and let reality catch up
• Why being seen and truly seeing others may be the real source of abundance
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Resources + Links

Explore Elizabeth's work and learn more about The Spiritual Investor Mastermind: https://thespiritualinvestor.com

Listen to The Spiritual Investor Podcast: https://thespiritualinvestor.com/podcast

Listen to the episode that first introduced me to Elizabeth on The Life Stylist Podcast with Luke Storey: The Spiritual Investor Episode →https://www.lukestorey.com/lifestylistpodcast/619

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Title: The Return: Recalibration, Sacred Space Stewardship, and the Dharma of Retreat Holding

After an unintentional three month pause, I'm returning to Fire and Soul with a solo episode that feels long overdue.

In this episode I'm pulling back the curtain on what this season has really been about for me, the numerology, the move out of Lakeway, the spiritual deepening, and the new chapter that is quietly becoming one of the most exciting things I have ever created.

I also share why 2025 was simultaneously the hardest and greatest teacher of my life, what the 12 Wild and Holy Nights revealed to me, and the sacred thread of 222 that has been weaving through everything.

Plus I'm giving you the first real look at Sacred Space Stewardship, my brand new certification program for women who are ready to lead transformational retreats with integrity, capacity, and true stewardship. The founding cohort kicks off May 19th and we are only taking eight women.

If you have been feeling the call to hold space at this level, this episode is for you.

Links mentioned:

Sacred Space Stewardship waitlist: sacredspacestewardship.com

Sedona Rising retreat (2 spots remaining, April 16-20): https://www.michelle-sorro.com/sedonarisingretreat

Synergy: https://www.michelle-sorro.com/synergy

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