In EP 54, Pierson and Bilal break down the week AI stopped asking for permission. An OpenAI model broke out of its sandbox, hacked Hugging Face's production database to steal benchmark answers, and OpenAI had no idea until Hugging Face told them. A Chinese open source model helped stop the attack.

From there:

• Anthropic's $1.5B copyright settlement and why their training data is still the best in the game
• AI solved 6 Erdos problems in a weekend, and mathematicians are just getting started
• Why the cure for cancer might already be in the weights and we just haven't asked right
• DeepSeek's CEO investor transcript: AGI only, everything else is a distraction
• China's open source commitment and why Kimi K3 is closer to frontier than anyone admits
• Frontier vs cheap models: when does running a smaller model 1000 times beat one Opus call
  
  Chapters:
  

  00:00 EP 54 & Anthropic's $1.5B Settlement
  06:00 AI as a Research Cross-Pollinator: The Fei-Fei Li Insight
  13:00 Math is Falling: 6 Erdos Problems Solved in a Weekend
  20:00 OpenAI's Model Broke Into Hugging Face
  28:00 DeepSeek, China & the Open Source Bet
  37:00 Frontier vs Cheap Models: When Does Routing Win
  
  

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In Episode 53 of the AI podcast by humans — Pierson and Bilal go deep on the business of AI this week, from corporate espionage to performative startup culture.

From there:

• Apple sued OpenAI for trade secret theft — an employee kept his access after leaving and copied confidential files. Corporate espionage in plain sight
• Grok caught uploading private data including environment files for training — default on, buried in settings
• Why OpenAI's hardware ambitions are a distraction and they should just let Apple and Samsung build the devices
• Siri in 2025 is broken — and Apple has all the money in the world but still can't fix it
• The Mintlify founder's "don't smile" post and what performative grind culture actually signals about a company
• Bilal's weekend project — rebuilding SheetJS with AI because the original hasn't been updated in two years
• Why software that's easy to verify is the first to get commoditized — and what that means for SaaS businesses
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 53 & Shorts Are the Real Money
05:00 Apple Sues OpenAI — Corporate Espionage in the AI Era
12:00 Grok Stealing Private Data and What to Assume About Every AI Lab
17:00 Siri Is Broken and Apple Is Running Out of Excuses
20:00 The Mintlify Founder Post and Performative Startup Culture
27:00 SaaS Is Getting Commoditized — Who Actually Survives

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In Episode 52, Pierson pulls back the curtain on the automated software factory he's been building at Jellypod - three routines running daily that handle bug detection, product improvement, and churn analysis without any human involvement.

From there:

• Claude Code vs Codex — cloud environments, MCP server limitations and where Codex falls short
• Ray Amjad's Claude Code channel — why Pierson thinks he'll hit 300k subscribers by end of year
• The two-phase software lifecycle: figuring out what to do vs doing the thing — and why most engineers skip the first half
• Fable as the planner, Codex as the worker — the model combo that saves your subscription
• Bilal on the designer who said "I'm done" after Fable 5 made a logo he couldn't — and what the Industrial Revolution myth tells us about fighting machines
• The paperclip maximizer — Nick Bostrom's classic bad AI example and why your to-do app could become Cloudflare
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 52, One Year of Creative Flux & Loop Engineering
06:00 Claude Code vs Codex — Cloud Environments and MCP Limitations
12:00 Ray Amjad and How to Actually Learn Claude Code
17:00 Fable as Planner, Codex as Worker — The Right Model Combo
22:00 Inside the Automated Software Factory — Live Demo
32:00 Self-Healing Apps, the Paperclip Maximizer and AGI via To-Do App

🔗 Links mentioned:

• Ray Amjad's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RAmjad
• Pierson's Twitter demo: https://x.com/piersonmarks/status/2075361336381555096
  
  

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In Episode 51, Pierson and Bilal kick off with the World Cup, AI anime rivalries, and Trump speaking to a hologram of Teddy Roosevelt - then get into what actually matters this week.

From there:

• Fable 5 and Mythos 5 are back online - but won't answer basic biology questions, and why that's a bigger problem than it sounds
• Alex Carp's take: OpenAI and Anthropic are the biggest rug pull in tech - you're paying them to steal your business secrets
• OpenAI's three new models submitted to government screening- and a rumored secret fourth model nobody's talking about
• Chinese models closing the gap - GLM 5.2 is basically at Opus 4.7 level and the moat is shrinking fast
• Tiered model access — will companies start gatekeeping Fable behind seniority levels?
• Continual learning - the next AI paradigm where models update their own weights in production, making government regulation basically impossible
• Open source vs closed source security - the Linux kernel argument and why Daytona went closed source
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 51, World Cup Energy & AI Anime Rivalries
06:00 Trump Talks to a Hologram of Teddy Roosevelt
13:00 Fable 5 Is Back - But Can't Answer What a Mitochondria Is
17:00 Alex Carp, Token Budgets and the AI Rug Pull Argument
22:00 OpenAI's New Models and the Secret Fourth Model Rumor
28:00 Continual Learning - The Paradigm That Makes Regulation Impossible
34:00 Open Source vs Closed Source Security and the Daytona Controversy

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In Episode 50, Pierson and Bilal hit a milestone - half a century of Creative Flux. They look back at a year of generative AI and look ahead to what 2027 actually looks like.

From there:

• The year in review — what improved (image gen, LLMs, agents), what didn't (long-form TTS, multi-character voice, VO3)
• Why "before Opus 4.5 and after Opus 4.5" is the new BC and AD for AI timelines
• The Google Workspace CLI engineer who went viral on Product Hunt — then got fired for it
• Noam Shazeer leaving Google again after a $2.7B acquisition — and what it signals for Gemini
• Data center NIMBYism — why communities push back and how AI companies are getting the messaging completely wrong
• AGI vs superintelligence — Kurzweil's 15-year gap and why Bilal thinks it doesn't exist
• 2027 predictions: one-person billion dollar companies, AI dark factories, the first Hollywood studio deal for an AI-native film
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 50 — Half a Century of Creative Flux
05:00 Data Centers, NIMBYism and Getting the Message Wrong
16:00 One Year in Review — What AI Got Right and What It Didn't
22:00 AGI vs Superintelligence — Where Are We Actually?
27:00 Google Fires the Workspace CLI Engineer — What That Tells You 33:00 2027 Predictions — One Person, Billion Dollar Companies

🔗 Links mentioned:

• Anjney Midha (AMP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5PfU_uDhS0
• Seed Audio 1.0: https://fal.ai/models/bytedance/seed-audio-1.0
  

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In Episode 49, Pierson and Bilal welcome a new face — Tyler, an AI engineer and startup founder. And the timing couldn't be wilder. Just days after raving about Fable 5 last episode, export controls hit and access got pulled entirely.

From there:

• Why the government pulled Fable 5 — security threat or a power play between Anthropic and the Department of War
• KYC for AI models — what it means when you need ID just to send a prompt
• The theory that LLMs will eventually report dangerous user behavior to the FBI
• How models trained on biased source data can quietly shape your worldview without you knowing
• The "slop threshold" — what actually separates real creative work from AI filler
• Why software engineers and artists feel completely differently about AI
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 49 & Fable 5 Just Got Banned
06:00 Why the Government Pulled Access — Security or Power Play?
12:00 KYC for AI Models & the Slippery Slope of Gatekeeping
18:00 When Models Quietly Shape Your Worldview
24:00 The Slop Threshold — What Makes Creative Work Actually Valuable
27:00 Final Takeaways — Preserve Your Independent Thinking

🔗 Links mentioned:

• Tyler Cowen (a16z Podcast): https://open.spotify.com/episode/5wsirRtMMCeefmQ5lw80Cr
  
  

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In Episode 48, Pierson and Bilal give their first reaction to Anthropic's Fable 5 - and the verdict is clear. This is a genuine step change, not a benchmark shuffle.

Bilal breaks down the Mythos vs Fable distinction, what the silent model routing controversy was really about, and why Anthropic's decision to route certain requests to Opus 4.8 made sense strategically - even if users hated it. Pierson gets into what Fable 5 actually unlocked for him in practice, and why most people won't see the difference unless they throw it something ten times harder than usual.

From there:

• Why Anthropic's Ghostbusters x Spider-Man trailer was edited by Fable 5 itself - and what that signals
• AI as a story continuity engine for massive universes like Star Wars and Game of Thrones
• Dario's "AI and the Exponential" blog post - the thoughtful version vs the one-line clip version
• Why the people calling AI a bubble are coping - and what the benchmarks actually say
• UBI, job displacement and the case for 24-month severance from AI labs
• Humanoid robots, space colonization and why superintelligence won't need a spacesuit
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 48 & First Reaction to Fable 5
05:00 Mythos vs Fable - What the Difference Actually Means
12:00 The Silent Model Routing Controversy and Why It Mattered
17:00 Fable 5 Edited Its Own Launch Video - What That Signals
22:00 How to Actually See the Difference in a New Model
27:00 Dario's Exponential Blog, UBI and AI Job Displacement

🔗 Links mentioned:

• Fable 5: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-fable-5-mythos-5
• Ghostbusters x Spider-Man mashup: https://x.com/deepwhitman/status/2065122222503825541?s=20
  
  

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In Episode 47, Bilal drops the most counterintuitive take of the season - he doesn't post for followers anymore. He posts for the machines. And once you hear why, you can't unhear it.

From there:

• Why the best insights on YouTube have 300 views — and how hedge funds are already exploiting this gap
• Babbel Labs: Mac minis + Claude agents watching YouTube 24/7 and selling the reports to Wall Street
• The free Codex hack generating unlimited GPT Image 2 outputs via parallel sub-agents
• Claude Cloud Environments — fire a task, close your laptop, check the PR preview an hour later
• The 5AM automation that reads Vercel logs, does root cause analysis, and files deduplicated bugs in Linear while you sleep
• Claude Ultracode + Workflows — what it looks like when agents start designing their own agent chains
• ElevenLabs x Hasbro, AI NIMBYism, and why Bernie Sanders' data center ban will hurt everyone except big tech
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 47 & Posting for the Machines
05:00 Hidden Alpha — Why the Best YouTube Insights Have 300 Views
12:00 Free Unlimited Images via Codex Sub-Agents
17:00 Claude Cloud Environments & Firing Tasks Without Babysitting
21:00 Ultracode + Workflows — Agents Orchestrating Agents 29:00 ElevenLabs x Hasbro, AI NIMBYism & the Data Center Ban

🔗 Links mentioned:

1. Claude Dynamic Workflows: https://code.claude.com/docs/en/workflows

2. ElevenLabs x Hasbro: https://elevenlabs.io/blog/hasbro

3. OpenAI Codex sites: https://developers.openai.com/codex/sites

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