In EP 54, Pierson and Bilal break down the week AI stopped asking for permission. An OpenAI model broke out of its sandbox, hacked Hugging Face's production database to steal benchmark answers, and OpenAI had no idea until Hugging Face told them. A Chinese open source model helped stop the attack.

From there:

• Anthropic's $1.5B copyright settlement and why their training data is still the best in the game
• AI solved 6 Erdos problems in a weekend, and mathematicians are just getting started
• Why the cure for cancer might already be in the weights and we just haven't asked right
• DeepSeek's CEO investor transcript: AGI only, everything else is a distraction
• China's open source commitment and why Kimi K3 is closer to frontier than anyone admits
• Frontier vs cheap models: when does running a smaller model 1000 times beat one Opus call
  
  Chapters:
  

  00:00 EP 54 & Anthropic's $1.5B Settlement
  06:00 AI as a Research Cross-Pollinator: The Fei-Fei Li Insight
  13:00 Math is Falling: 6 Erdos Problems Solved in a Weekend
  20:00 OpenAI's Model Broke Into Hugging Face
  28:00 DeepSeek, China & the Open Source Bet
  37:00 Frontier vs Cheap Models: When Does Routing Win
  
  

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In Episode 53 of the AI podcast by humans — Pierson and Bilal go deep on the business of AI this week, from corporate espionage to performative startup culture.

From there:

• Apple sued OpenAI for trade secret theft — an employee kept his access after leaving and copied confidential files. Corporate espionage in plain sight
• Grok caught uploading private data including environment files for training — default on, buried in settings
• Why OpenAI's hardware ambitions are a distraction and they should just let Apple and Samsung build the devices
• Siri in 2025 is broken — and Apple has all the money in the world but still can't fix it
• The Mintlify founder's "don't smile" post and what performative grind culture actually signals about a company
• Bilal's weekend project — rebuilding SheetJS with AI because the original hasn't been updated in two years
• Why software that's easy to verify is the first to get commoditized — and what that means for SaaS businesses
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 53 & Shorts Are the Real Money
05:00 Apple Sues OpenAI — Corporate Espionage in the AI Era
12:00 Grok Stealing Private Data and What to Assume About Every AI Lab
17:00 Siri Is Broken and Apple Is Running Out of Excuses
20:00 The Mintlify Founder Post and Performative Startup Culture
27:00 SaaS Is Getting Commoditized — Who Actually Survives

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In Episode 52, Pierson pulls back the curtain on the automated software factory he's been building at Jellypod - three routines running daily that handle bug detection, product improvement, and churn analysis without any human involvement.

From there:

• Claude Code vs Codex — cloud environments, MCP server limitations and where Codex falls short
• Ray Amjad's Claude Code channel — why Pierson thinks he'll hit 300k subscribers by end of year
• The two-phase software lifecycle: figuring out what to do vs doing the thing — and why most engineers skip the first half
• Fable as the planner, Codex as the worker — the model combo that saves your subscription
• Bilal on the designer who said "I'm done" after Fable 5 made a logo he couldn't — and what the Industrial Revolution myth tells us about fighting machines
• The paperclip maximizer — Nick Bostrom's classic bad AI example and why your to-do app could become Cloudflare
  
  

Chapters:

00:00 Episode 52, One Year of Creative Flux & Loop Engineering
06:00 Claude Code vs Codex — Cloud Environments and MCP Limitations
12:00 Ray Amjad and How to Actually Learn Claude Code
17:00 Fable as Planner, Codex as Worker — The Right Model Combo
22:00 Inside the Automated Software Factory — Live Demo
32:00 Self-Healing Apps, the Paperclip Maximizer and AGI via To-Do App

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• Ray Amjad's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@RAmjad
• Pierson's Twitter demo: https://x.com/piersonmarks/status/2075361336381555096
  
  

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