Y'all!!!! I'm so excited to bring you this episode filmed in a new location and with a new co-host! It's just temporary...don't worry. Johnny will be back soon.

This episode captures a conversation between me and my dear friend, Pastor of 20 years, former boss, and hero of the faith - Pastor Lee Shipp. Pastor Lee is the Pastor of First New Testament Church, where Clay and I attended for 20 years, and the church we attended during his illness. They were our family. And so many of the members of FNT remain my very dearest friends.

Pastor Lee is on the Board of Directors for Cloth & Clay ministries, and remains a huge influence in my life. His direct leadership shaped the way I understood my suffering, and his friendship helped Clay and I to make it well. After Clay's passing, I went to work full-time for the church and threw myself into ministry alongside Pastor Lee. Then, when God's timing was just right, Pastor Lee was instrumental in my purchase of The Hill and the launch of Cloth & Clay Ministries. He also played a huge role in helping me as I prayed for God's will in my relationship with Johnny.

This episode is filmed in John and my living room! So, welcome to our home! We hope you enjoy this conversation and that you leave this episode deeply encouraged. These truths are heavy, but so helpful. There is great purpose in the plans of God and we desire to see all believers built up in the truth and brought to maturity in their faith!

You are going to love Pastor Lee! Please listen and be blessed.

Also....just a little hint....the conversation was so good that we just stayed right where we are sitting and filmed another episode immediately. So, you'll get two episodes and I know you are going to enjoy it.

Thank you The Vine Christian Bookstore for your continued faithful partnership. I love you, Tessa, and thank God for you!

Hebrews 10:35-39 is a powerful passage in which the writer of Hebrews is begging the early church to hold onto their confidence. They are enduring hardship but he is reminding them how they've already endured hardship and they made it through. Now, they are growing weary, and he is encouraging them to hold on.

This episode will bring encouragement and hope to you if you are weary and worn out.

And this episode will help you to prepare for moments of weariness.

Don't miss this encouragement!

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In this episode, we study one of the most impactful scriptures as it relates to spiritual growth.

2 Peter Chapter 1 lays out a progression of growth that is critical to the development of our spiritual life. Peter tells us to "supplement our faith" with a list of characteristics that ultimately lead us to Agape Love!

Don't miss this episode. You will be encouraged to continue moving closer to the Lord and applying His Word to your life.

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In this episode, Johnny and Kristy discuss the process of the threshing floor. Though difficult, it is so productive. The analogy is so amazing! The more we understand about the process, the more we see how God uses the trials of our life to refine us and make us useful.

Let the Holy Spirit encourage you and help you accept the process of what God is doing in your life.

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In this episode, Johnny and Kristy tell the story of how God led them to sell The Hill. If you've been following along, you know that The Hill has been one of the greatest gifts of Kristy's entire life. God has used it to launch Cloth & Clay Ministries, and it has been the location of many significant moments.

His plan, though completely shocking, was to transfer ownership to Greg & Courtney Bienvenu. They took ownership of The Hill on December 1, 2025.

The story is an amazing testimony of God's faithfulness and His love. They teach Biblical truth of the value of following God's leadership and the miracle of how God sees all that we can't see!

You are going to love this episode! Get ready!

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In this episode, Kristy and Johnny will finish their discussion that began in episode 3 titled "Let Go and Hold On". These concepts originated from a sermon Johnny preached recently about lessons he learned when his life was taken in a different direction than he expected.

Life is difficult. Tragedy finds us all. We all face unexpected outcomes.

Listen and learn some powerful strategies to help you overcome!

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Join us in Episode 3 as Johnny talks about the principles that helped him manage tragedy. He quotes the great theologian, Mike Tyson….

“Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face!”

If you relate to those words, please listen as we discuss God’s plan to help us in this life.

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Those are Roxanne's words. "I want to be this girl." It's one of the most compelling things she ever said. In the face of ALS...having no idea what was ahead of her...she recorded a video in which she told the world that her illness had changed her for the better. She had grown spiritually, she no longer cared what people thought of her, and she understood what was important in life, now. She declares that she never wants to go back to the girl she was before her diagnosis.

Listen as Johnny and Kristy discuss 2 Corinthians 4 and 5. Our "mortality can be swallowed up in life" according to these verses. What a promise and a hope!

If you want to see the video of Roxanne that we reference, please jump over to YouTube and it is at the end of the episode.

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