Y'all!!!! I'm so excited to bring you this episode filmed in a new location and with a new co-host! It's just temporary...don't worry. Johnny will be back soon.

This episode captures a conversation between me and my dear friend, Pastor of 20 years, former boss, and hero of the faith - Pastor Lee Shipp. Pastor Lee is the Pastor of First New Testament Church, where Clay and I attended for 20 years, and the church we attended during his illness. They were our family. And so many of the members of FNT remain my very dearest friends.

Pastor Lee is on the Board of Directors for Cloth & Clay ministries, and remains a huge influence in my life. His direct leadership shaped the way I understood my suffering, and his friendship helped Clay and I to make it well. After Clay's passing, I went to work full-time for the church and threw myself into ministry alongside Pastor Lee. Then, when God's timing was just right, Pastor Lee was instrumental in my purchase of The Hill and the launch of Cloth & Clay Ministries. He also played a huge role in helping me as I prayed for God's will in my relationship with Johnny.

This episode is filmed in John and my living room! So, welcome to our home! We hope you enjoy this conversation and that you leave this episode deeply encouraged. These truths are heavy, but so helpful. There is great purpose in the plans of God and we desire to see all believers built up in the truth and brought to maturity in their faith!

You are going to love Pastor Lee! Please listen and be blessed.

Also....just a little hint....the conversation was so good that we just stayed right where we are sitting and filmed another episode immediately. So, you'll get two episodes and I know you are going to enjoy it.

Thank you The Vine Christian Bookstore for your continued faithful partnership. I love you, Tessa, and thank God for you!