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Without the Bank Podcast

Without the Bank Podcast

By: Mary Jo Irmen
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The archaic system of giving up money today, taking on risk, and hoping to retire is B.S. This podcast seeks to help make you responsible for your money and your future. You are the one who cares more about it than anyone else. I am here to help you and provide the honesty you need. No sugar coating. No false claims. Just straight up truth. Economics Personal Finance
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  • Your Retirement at 65 Was Built On a Flawed Assumption (Ep. 253)
    Jan 22 2026

    Most people are taught to buy term insurance and invest the rest—but what if that advice is based on a massive misunderstanding of how life insurance actually works?

    In this episode, we break down why dividend-paying whole life insurance is fundamentally misclassified, how insurance companies really make money, and why Nelson Nash believed banking, not investing, was the missing piece.

    In WTB Episode 253, we continue our deep dive into Becoming Your Own Banker by Nelson Nash, focusing on mortality tables, underwriting, modified endowment contracts (MECs), and why whole life insurance behaves more like a banking system than an insurance product.

    We explore:

    Why term insurance is incredibly profitable for insurance companies

    How underwriting selects for people who actually live longer

    Why retirement at 65 was built on a flawed assumption

    How MEC rules really work (and why they're not the end of the world)

    Why universal life, variable life, and indexed UL fail long-term

    How to properly structure a whole life policy for Infinite Banking

    If you've ever been told "whole life is bad," this episode explains where that belief came from—and why it persists.

    Key Takeaways:

    Death is not an if—it's a when, and insurance should be structured accordingly

    Term insurance is statistically designed not to pay out

    Responsible, underwritten individuals live longer—and insurers know it

    Whole life insurance is misclassified, leading to bad financial decisions

    Infinite Banking works best when cash value is prioritized over death benefit

    MEC policies aren't catastrophic—but understanding the rules matters

    Chapters:

    (00:00) – Why the insurance industry misunderstands its own products

    (05:50) – Mortality tables, underwriting, and who actually lives longer

    (10:52) – Retirement at 65 and the Social Security fallacy

    (18:03) – MEC rules, overfunding, and policy design explained

    (31:27) – Why universal, variable, and indexed life insurance fail

    (39:21) – Why Infinite Banking is caught, not taught

    📘 Haven't read Becoming Your Own Banker yet? Start there.
    📅 Want help structuring a policy correctly? Schedule a conversation with our team.
    💬 Drop your questions or comments below—we read and respond.

    Links Mentioned:
    Becoming Your Own Banker by Nelson Nash
    https://www.withoutthebank.com/shop...

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    36 mins
  • You Already Know Enough (So Why Aren't You Wealthy?) (Ep. 252)
    Jan 15 2026

    Are you collecting financial knowledge... or actually using it?

    In this episode of Without The Bank, we break down two of the most dangerous (and overlooked) chapters from Becoming Your Own Banker: Arrival Syndrome and Use It or Lose It.

    These ideas explain why so many people stall out financially—even after reading the right books, watching the right videos, and "knowing" the Infinite Banking Concept.

    The problem isn't lack of information.
    The problem is believing you've already arrived.

    When people stop applying what they learn, their policies stagnate, their cash flow tightens, and Infinite Banking quietly turns into "just another savings account." Nelson Nash warned us about this—and in this episode, we show exactly how it plays out in real life.

    In This Episode, You'll Learn:

    • Why arrival syndrome is more dangerous than ignorance
    • How "knowing enough" kills financial momentum
    • Why Infinite Banking must become a way of life, not a tactic
    • What "use it or lose it" really means for your policy and your mindset
    • Why focusing on interest rates misses the point entirely
    • Why liquidity and cash flow matter more than returns
    • The silent mistake people make when they stop using their policy

    Episode Chapters:

    00:00 – Knowledge vs. Implementation
    01:05 – What Is Arrival Syndrome?
    03:10 – The Illusion of Knowledge
    05:20 – Use It or Lose It Explained
    08:45 – Outgrowing Comfort Zones
    11:30 – Common Infinite Banking Mistakes
    14:00 – Why IBC Must Be a Way of Life

    Resources Mentioned:
    Becoming Your Own Banker by Nelson Nash
    Get the book: https://www.withoutthebank.com/shop...

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    Use the link provided after purchase to schedule an appointment and get your questions answered.

    If this episode made you rethink how you're using Infinite Banking, share it with someone who's still "learning" but not applying.

    Apply what you know—or lose it.

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    15 mins
  • Your Kids' $1,000 Account Has a Catch | Here's Why (Ep. 251)
    Jan 8 2026

    Is the government really giving kids $1,000… or is there a bigger catch?

    In this solo episode of Without the Bank (WTB), Mary Jo breaks down the Invest America Act (sometimes called the "Trump Account") and explains why she believes it raises serious red flags, from misleading claims by politicians to hidden tax consequences and stock market manipulation.

    👉 Follow Mary Jo Here: https://www.youtube.com/@MaryJoIrmen?sub_confirmation=1
    👉 Get the book: https://www.withoutthebank.com/book/?...

    After reviewing the actual bill, running the numbers, and even putting it through AI, Mary Jo explains why this account is not what it's being sold as—and why families should be asking tougher questions before celebrating "free money."

    🔍 What You'll Learn in This Episode:

    Why the Invest America Act is not a Roth IRA

    The real tax consequences when kids withdraw the money

    Why capital gains taxes matter more than politicians admit

    How inflation destroys the "big numbers" being promised

    The hidden incentive to prop up the stock market

    Why education beats government-funded investing every time

    ⏱️ Chapters

    (00:00) – Why this account immediately raised red flags

    (01:32) – What the Invest America Act actually says

    (03:44) – Debunking Ted Cruz's claims

    (05:57) – Following the money: who really benefits

    (08:31) – Taxes, capital gains, and misleading projections

    (11:44) – Inflation, purchasing power, and the real math

    (15:07) – Why this doesn't create "capitalists."

    💬 Join the Conversation

    What do you think about the Invest America Act?

    Leave a comment below or email Mary Jo at maryjo@withoutthebank.com

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    17 mins
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