In this episode, Father Lorenzo Lebrija talks with the Reverend Dan Kline and Reverend Jessie Thompson from St. Paul's in the Desert, Palm Springs, California. They share their journey of revitalizing a small congregation emerging from the challenges of the COVID pandemic. With a remarkable approach to church growth, spiritual formation, and lay leadership, Dan and Jessie discuss how they successfully doubled attendance and fostered a vibrant community. The conversation dives into effective church growth strategies, including the importance of empowering lay leaders and engaging the community. Dan and Jessie also emphasize the significance of being deeply rooted in prayer and how this foundation has influenced their leadership style and the congregation's spiritual life.

Key Topics Covered:

• Church growth and revitalization strategies
• Community listening and engagement
• Spiritual formation and leadership
• Innovative church practices and programs
• Empowering lay leaders and volunteers

Resources Mentioned:

• Their Church Website: https://stpauldesert.church

What might the church look like ten years from now?

In this episode, Lorenzo Lebrija welcomes Loren Richmond Jr.—pastor, chaplain, consultant, author, and host of the Future Christian Podcast—for a conversation about twenty predictions for the future of the church. Inspired by futurist Jane McGonigal's work on imagination and forecasting, Loren reflects on the demographic, cultural, economic, and institutional trends shaping Christian communities in the decades ahead.

The conversation explores everything from volunteer-led congregations and the decline of denominational structures to the future of seminaries, church buildings, worship practices, and clergy leadership. Loren argues that while the gospel itself remains unchanged, the structures surrounding church life are already evolving—and leaders must learn to distinguish between the essentials of faith and the methods used to express it.

Together, Loren and Lorenzo discuss church buildings as community assets, the rise of bivocational and itinerant ministry, creative nonprofit structures, changing worship patterns, and why imagining possible futures is a critical leadership skill. They also wrestle with questions of technology, virtual church, Christian nationalism, denominational identity, and the enduring hope that the church will continue to exist and adapt in every generation.

Together they explore:

• Why church buildings may become community hubs
• The future of denominations and denominational identity
• Seminary education and clergy formation in a changing landscape
• Worship trends, tradition, and authenticity
• Technology, virtual church, and digital ministry
• Creative nonprofit and social enterprise models
• How leaders can prepare for the future today

Resources Mentioned

• Imaginable — Jane McGonigal
• The Church as Community Hub: Sharing Spaces to Help Neighborhoods Thrive — Loren's book
• Future Christian Podcast
• https://lorenrichmondjr.substack.com/p/ten-ways-church-will-be-different
• https://lorenrichmondjr.substack.com/p/ten-more-ways-church-will-be-different

Connect with Loren

• The Church Nerd (Substack)
• @lorenrichmondjr on social media platforms

In this episode, Father Lorenz Lebrija talks with Sarah Holler, an Episcopal priest and spiritual director from Charlotte, North Carolina. Together, they explore the concept of "When God Gets Real," a podcast that invites individuals to share their transformative experiences of faith—those moments when God becomes undeniably present in their lives.

Sarah shares her journey of creating this podcast, inspired by the power of storytelling found in platforms like TED Talks and The Moth Radio Hour. She discusses the courage it takes for people to open up about their faith experiences, revealing the profound impact these stories have on both the tellers and the listeners. Through her work, Sarah has discovered that sharing personal narratives of faith not only rekindles one's own spirituality but also encourages others to reflect on their own encounters with the divine.

This episode delves into the diversity of faith stories and the common threads that connect them, highlighting the importance of community and the sacredness of sharing one's testimony. As listeners are encouraged to think about their own moments when God became real, the conversation underscores the transformative power of vulnerability and connection in faith.

Takeaways

• Sharing personal faith stories can be a powerful act of vulnerability that fosters deeper connections within community.
• Reflecting on moments when God became real can rekindle one’s faith and encourage others to explore their own experiences.
• Storytelling is an essential part of human experience and can serve as a means to articulate and share the presence of God in our lives.
• Creating spaces for open dialogue about faith can help normalize conversations around spirituality and testimony.
• Embracing the diversity of faith experiences enriches our understanding of God’s work in the world.

Keywords

When God Gets Real, storytelling, faith, spirituality, community, testimony, Episcopal Church