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Total Succession

Total Succession

By: Tyson Ray
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Summary

So you've built a business helping others plan their future. But what's the plan for yours? Your future deserves the same attention you give your clients every day. It's time to protect what you've built and prepare for what's next. Welcome to the Total Succession Show, your resource for learning how to exit confidently, be fully compensated, and keep your clients' interests first. Hosted by veteran financial advisor Tyson Ray and co-host Kim Cochenour, each episode will help you navigate the emotional and strategic challenges of succession planning through real-life stories, insights from industry experts, and Tyson's SPACE framework: See, Prepare, Act, Commit, Exit. Tune in each week and head to totalsuccession.com for free tools to help you start preparing for what's next.2025 Career Success Economics Personal Finance
Episodes
  • The Top 3 Reasons Advisors Avoid Succession Planning (and What’s Really Behind It)
    May 12 2026

    Why do advisors who excel at guiding clients through retirement planning struggle to start their own succession planning?

    Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour, along with Aaron Hasler and Andrea Schlapia, explore the three reasons why advisors don’t get around to it.

    You’ll hear about the #1 challenge for advisors, why and how “business exit” should be reframed, and why failing to treat succession planning like the process it is leads to value erosion.

    • Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour look at why advisors seem to struggle to get their own succession planning process started.
    • Tyson and Ray address the topic by also featuring contributions by Aaron Hasler and Andrea Schlapia.
    • Kim kicks things off by touching upon three reasons why advisors typically don’t get around to their succession planning.
    • They are: 1) not really understanding the options; 2) succession planning feels way more personal than what you expected; 3) you haven’t defined what you actually want next.
    • For Aaron Hasler of Spruce Rock Capital, education is the #1 challenge advisors face.
    • He shares a couple of suggestions advisors can follow to improve their education and industry knowledge without having to rely on outdated, generic, advice.
    • Tyson points out the irony of being a financial advisor: Taking financial and retirement planning for granted and not either one for your business.
    • While a business exit may feel emotional, scary, and uncomfortable, Andrea Schlapia sees an exit merely as a good business strategy, rather than a massive event.
    • Tyson emphasizes the importance of understanding “what you’re exiting to, not from.”
    • “If you don’t treat your succession planning like the process that it is, it can turn into this big, overwhelming and unknown process somewhere down the road,” emphasizes Kim.
    • Andrea talks about the steps where she sees advisors having a hard time – and those where they succeed.
    • Since “exiting” is a trigger word for many advisors, Andrea is all in favor of changing the words from exiting to “what’s next.”
    • Andrea concludes by saying that failing to plan is going to equal value erosion.

    Mentioned in This Episode:

    TotalSuccession.com

    TotalSuccession.com/podcast

    FORM Wealth Advisors

    Tyson Ray

    Kim Cochenour

    Tyson’s book - Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First

    Aaron Hasler on LinkedIn

    Spruce Rock Capital

    Andrea Schlapia

    EOS

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    14 mins
  • The Retirement Planning Approach to Succession Planning with Jeremy Keil
    May 5 2026

    Most advisors retire three years earlier than they expect, which means your succession planning needs to be ready three years earlier, too!

    Guest Jeremy Keil, author of “Retire Today,” joins Tyson Ray and Kim Cochenour to explore how to apply retirement planning wisdom to your own exit.

    You’ll discover Jeremy’s five-step process, why being ready to exit early creates a more valuable business, and why you should approach succession planning similarly to how many approach retirement planning.

    • Guest Jeremy Keil shares his thoughts on retirement planning and succession approaches, while Tyson Ray touches upon what he sees advisors do when going through succession.
    • Jeremy touches upon two things that can help advisors get clarity on their own when they’re thinking about succession.
    • On average, you retire three years earlier than you expect – that means having your retirement plan set three years earlier than you expect.
    • Beginning with the end in mind is a habit Jeremy believes advisors should apply to their own succession planning.
    • Tyson goes into a mismatch that often occurs when advisors start seeing the value of their practice in dollars and don’t realize that it doesn’t necessarily translate to what the cash flow of the business is generating.
    • Unlike what happens with succession planning, in retirement planning, advisors and clients meet regularly – Jeremy discusses the benefits and how succession planning can embrace a similar approach.
    • Jeremy illustrates his five-step process to retirement planning.
    • Tyson sees a successful succession or retirement not so much as the process that defines finances but more about the approach that helps you understand who you are and what you do when you’re no longer an advisor…
    • Jeremy brings the so-called retirement longevity number into the conversation and highlights that it has two points: the beginning and the end point of your retirement.
    • Always be ready to exit, to sell, and to retire three years earlier than you expect.
    • Worst-case scenario: you retire when you want to, and you probably created a more valuable business.
    • One of the problems with advisors is that you need to be a humble individual to reach out to another advisor to get advice.
    • However, many think that, since they’re an advisor, they should be able to do it all on their own…

    Mentioned in This Episode:

    TotalSuccession.com

    TotalSuccession.com/podcast

    FORM Wealth Advisors

    Tyson Ray

    Kim Cochenour

    Tyson’s book - Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First

    Keil.com

    Jeremy Keil on LinkedIn

    Keil Financial Partners

    Mr. Retirement with Jeremy Keil (YouTube channel)

    Retire Today: Create Your Retirement Master Plan in 5 Simple Steps by Jeremy Keil

    LongevityIllustrator.org

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    21 mins
  • Stop Delaying Your Exit: How Early Succession Planning Changes Everything
    Apr 28 2026

    Succession planning works like retirement planning: the earlier you start, the more options you have.

    Kim Cochenour and Tyson Ray explore why advisors delay planning, how to reframe it as business strategy, and why you should ask, "What am I exiting toward?" instead of, "What am I exiting from?"

    You’ll hear insights from guest experts Andrea Schlapia, Ted Motheral, and Dean Smith.

    • Kim Cochenour kicks the episode off with an important premise: succession planning works the same way retirement planning does – the earlier you start, the more options you’re going to have.
    • One of the biggest reasons advisors delay succession planning is because the whole idea of “the exit” feels overwhelming.
    • Andrea Schlapia invites you to frame exit as merely a good business strategy, rather than an event that just happens.
    • In her approach, Andrea wants advisors to move from an individual-led practice to a leadership team-run business.
    • Tyson Ray highlights the important question of asking yourself, “What am I exiting toward?” instead of, “What am I exiting from?”
    • Remember: exiting doesn’t necessarily mean severing yourself from your career. It can be as simple as exiting some of the things you don’t like to do and that are just sucking energy out, and prevents you from being your best self.
    • Ted Motheral touches upon the role preparation plays when it comes to successful successions.
    • The irony when it comes to succession planning, is that advisors are experts in helping their clients prepare and get their affairs in order but struggle to do that for themselves.
    • Dean Smith talks about the fact that, over the next 10 years, about 40% of the industry assets are going to be transitioning hands or retiring.
    • The advisors who are succeeding through and coming to the succession wave will be the ones who start building their transition long before they actually need it.

    Mentioned in This Episode:

    TotalSuccession.com

    TotalSuccession.com/podcast

    FORM Wealth Advisors

    Tyson Ray

    Kim Cochenour

    Tyson’s book - Total Succession: 5 Steps for Financial Advisors to Exit Confidently, Be Fully Compensated, and Keep Clients’ Interests First

    Andrea Schlapia

    Ironstone

    Ted Motheral on LinkedIn

    Dean Smith on LinkedIn

    Wealth Enhancement

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    14 mins
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