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This Old Marketing - News Podcast Weekly with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose

This Old Marketing - News Podcast Weekly with Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose

By: Joe Pulizzi & Robert Rose
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Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose, two of the most well-known experts in the content marketing space, talk about the latest content marketing trends and discuss how businesses can use content to attract and retain customers. Each podcast show features a discussion of content marketing headlines, rants from Joe and Robert on what's going on in the industry, and a "This Old Marketing" example from the past (that we can learn from). Always useful, entertaining and never more than 60 minutes.Joe Pulizzi & Robert Rose Economics Management Management & Leadership Marketing Marketing & Sales
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  • The Media Reckoning Is Here (535)

    The Media Reckoning Is Here (535)
    Jun 5 2026
    This week, Joe and Robert dig into the media reckoning hitting some of the biggest names in digital publishing. Vice, BuzzFeed, Vox, and others once represented the future of media, with massive valuations, venture money, and platform-driven scale. Now, many of those same companies have been sold, split apart, or pushed into bankruptcy. The boys ask the uncomfortable question: how did companies worth billions become cautionary tales? On the flip side, 1440 just received a $101 million valuation with only 27 employees and a focused newsletter-first model. The company generates about $1 million per employee and has built a direct relationship with nearly 5 million subscribers. Joe and Robert discuss why this is the same lesson they have been talking about for years: don't build your content house on rented land. Owned audience, discipline, and direct trust still win. Then the conversation turns to the growing demand for live experiences and even print products. Investors are rewarding live entertainment, movie theaters, concerts, and premium in-person experiences, while print continues to show surprising signs of life in certain corners of media. Is this a true long-term opportunity, or just a small bubble created by digital exhaustion? Winners and Losers Joe's winner is the baklava guy outside Knicks games, a perfect example of small, weird, consistent marketing becoming part of the fan experience. Robert's winner and loser is Ferrari's new design. In rants and raves, Joe talks about Nate B. Jones changing his AI newsletter frequency, moving away from the daily news grind and toward a more useful weekly cadence. Robert closes with commentary on the death of per-seat pricing and what it means for the coming SaaS apocalypse. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork
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    1 hr and 15 mins
  • Meta Creates Toll Road, LinkedIn Fakes Getting Rid of AI Slop (534)

    Meta Creates Toll Road, LinkedIn Fakes Getting Rid of AI Slop (534)
    May 29 2026

    This week, the boys open with Meta's new subscription plans for Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp and Meta AI. The features are mostly small upgrades, but the bigger story is clear: Meta is building a toll road around access, visibility and creation. The rent on rented land keeps going up.

    From there, Joe and Robert talk about LinkedIn's campaign against "AI slop." LinkedIn says it wants to reduce low-value AI content, generic posts and engagement bait. But is it really getting rid of anything, or just marketing the idea of a cleaner feed? The platform rewarded slop long before AI arrived. AI just made it easier to scale.

    Winners and Losers

    Joe's winner is YouTube creator Curry Barker and the box office success of Obsession, another reminder that creators can still break through outside the traditional Hollywood machine.

    Robert's winners are OpenAI's new CMO and brands making music videos.

    Rants and Raves

    Joe raves about The Guardian's U.S. success and its growing donation-supported business. It's a strong example of a media company building direct audience trust and turning that trust into revenue.

    Robert's commentary is on Rand Fishkin's take that "inimitable product" is the new "make great content."

    Subscribe and Follow:
    Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing.

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    This week's sponsor:

    Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot.

    Unless you use HubSpot.

    Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more.

    Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better.

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    Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/

    Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/
    Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/.

    Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/
    Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/

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    This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork
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    1 hr and 15 mins
  • The Click Is Dead (533)

    The Click Is Dead (533)
    May 22 2026
    This week, Joe and Robert start with Google's massive AI search shift and the uncomfortable reality for marketers, publishers and creators: the click may no longer be the point. Google has turned search into something closer to an answer engine, and Joe has officially come around to Robert's long-held view. Google may have created an even better business model than the one it already had, and the old one was pretty darn good. Instead of sending people out to websites, Google can now keep users inside its own experience, answer more complex questions, and eventually handle more of the buying, research and decision journey itself. So what does that mean for marketers? It means the old SEO bargain is breaking. Ranking is no longer enough. Getting the click is no longer guaranteed. And if Google becomes the destination instead of the doorway, brands need to think very differently about trust, authority, direct relationships and what it actually means to be found. The Feed Is Fake Next, the boys discuss the Vulture article on how social feeds are increasingly being manufactured through clipping, coordinated amplification and artificial momentum. The big takeaway: marketers can no longer assume that views, likes, comments or shares are clean signals of audience interest. If popularity can be engineered, then trust signals become more important than ever. Joe and Robert also wonder whether this is just a strange temporary window. Are we in a one-to-two-year messy middle where fake feeds, synthetic content and AI-generated attention overwhelm the system before the platforms fix it, users reject it, or the whole thing collapses into something else? Either way, the advice is clear: do not build your strategy on fake momentum. Build something people can actually trust. Marketing Winners and Losers Joe's winner: The AI Doc: Or How I Became an Apocaloptimist. Joe liked that the documentary did not simply take one side of the AI debate. It explored both the optimism and the fear around AI, giving space to the people who believe AI could unlock enormous progress and those who believe it could create enormous harm. Robert's winner: Publicis, which agreed to acquire LiveRamp for approximately $2.2 billion in cash. The move gives Publicis deeper data capabilities at a time when first-party data, identity, privacy-safe collaboration and AI-powered marketing are becoming central to competitive advantage. Rants and Raves Joe's rave: Rishad Tobaccowala on the future of work. Robert's rant: Palantir and the "SaaS is dead" narrative. Robert reacts to the idea that traditional software-as-a-service is being replaced by a more AI-driven model, sometimes described as "service as software." The boys unpack whether this is a real business model shift or just another big tech phrase looking for a market. Subscribe and Follow: Follow Joe Pulizzi and Robert Rose on LinkedIn for insights, hot takes, and weekly updates from the world of content and marketing. ------- This week's sponsor: Did you know that most businesses only use 20% of their data? That's like reading a book with most of the pages torn out. Point is, you miss a lot. Unless you use HubSpot. Their customer platform gives you access to the data you need to grow your business. The insights trapped in emails, call logs, and transcripts. All that unstructured data that makes all the difference. Because when you know more, you grow more. Visit https://www.hubspot.com/ to hear how HubSpot can help you grow better. ------- Get all the show notes: https://www.thisoldmarketing.com/ Get Joe's new book, Burn the Playbook, at http://www.joepulizzi.com/books/burn-the-playbook/ Subscribe to Joe's Newsletter at https://www.joepulizzi.com/signup/. Get Robert Rose's new book, Valuable Friction, at https://robertrose.net/valuable-friction/ Subscribe to Robert's Newsletter at https://seventhbearlens.substack.com/ ------- This Old Marketing is part of the HubSpot Podcast Network: https://www.hubspot.com/podcastnetwork
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    1 hr and 13 mins
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