[2:20] Pete on his background in journalism and how he came to be a senior lecturer at University of the Sunshine Coast

"You've got to be prepared for the criticism – but you've got to ask for it, too … pick writers you respect, and ask for their feedback … and you've got to be brave to take whatever it is they say."

[4:30] Pete on learning on the fly at The Guardian in London

[8:15] Pete on his "stupid question"

[11:40] Pete on the importance of self-editing in today's media world, and why one needs to be careful with descriptions

"I'm very precious with what people tell me and how to report it – the way that comes back can often be misinterpreted. We see that throughout the world; what is a fact these days? What is truth? What did you mean when you said this?"

[18:10] Peter on ethics when dealing with interview subjects

[23:50] Peter talks about how he entered the academic world

"I know there's often an uneasy relationship between journalists and academics, but even just thinking about what it is that you do as a writer, a journalist, as a communications officer, as a sports lover, [and] those blurring of roles – are you a cheerleader, are you critical of the team, even just thinking about that helps make you a better journalist."

[26:40] Peter talks about his story on former England captain Adam Hollioake, which you can find here

[30:05] Pete on original writing and being present, versus the daily news churn

"The whole point of what we're doing is trying to get something original. When 30 people are asking, let's say Pat Cummins, questions at a press conference, there's nothing original there. And then the whole pack goes to the next press conference, and the next one."

[32:25] Pete on where journalism students are landing jobs nowadays

"If you're interested in being a sportswriter one of the key things you need to do it train … you read sports, you write sport, you listen to it, you watch it. That is your training."

[35:44] Pete talks about ways journalists can prioritise their workloads in order to focus on quality writing

[39:10] Pete on the key lessons he wants his students to have learned by the time they leave

[41:15] Pete on the lessons his students can only learn in the workforce

[45:40] Pete on his forthcoming book, which looks at the sports media industry in Australia

[55:30] Pete on the person he'd most like to interview and write about in-depth

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You can read Naomi's story, Let there be Night, here

[02:05] Naomi on life as a full-time freelance journalist through the pandemic

[03:03] Naomi discusses her career background and how she became a journalist

"I bought five freelance journalism books … read them all, drew up a spreadsheet and just started sending pitches out, which was hilarious."

"I loved finding all out about a subject and then telling the story and writing it. But I found – probably like many journos actually – ringing people up and asking them things was just terrifying."

"Don't be precious, just get the words down, [then] send them off and be on time. And watch out for any legal challenges."

[06:55] Naomi on her shift from working for a newspaper to being a full-time freelancer

[09:14] Naomi on why she is optimistic about the future of media

"I'm optimistic about the future of media – I don't think it's doom and gloom; I think people are valuing it more and more as we realise what we're losing." [cite 'The Spin-Off' here?]

"It's almost like in the internet age you need to be more honest and transparent than media organisations used to be. I think organisations that embrace that … will probably be doing a lot better than the traditional behemoth, where they were the gatekeepers and what they said, went"

[10:42] Naomi on how to get a foot in the industry, and tips for freelancers, which she detailed in-depth in this Twitter thread

[16:27] Naomi offers some tips for writing a cold pitch for a story

[19:21] Naomi talks about her voice and her writing styles adapting to certain publications

"I would hope my voice would disappear in a way; the goal is to have the reader get involved in your work, not necessarily notice who [is writing] or how it's being told. I think that's the way to get people to the end of your story, which is your goal."

"So it's the whole 'kill your darlings' thing, isn't it. The editor will say, 'You're being a bit wanky'. They'll tell you that when you think you've written something particularly great. If you're lucky enough to get a good editor, they will also help you turn the flourishes into something less egregiously wanky."

[21:40] Naomi on seeking advice from editors and others with your writing

[26:40] Naomi dives into her story for NZ Geographic, Let there be Night

"You have to respect the research while painting a picture for the reader that's not going to put them off. I try to think about it as writing for a curious high school student. Just guiding them through the piece while coming up with concepts that illustrate the science in a way that's not dumbing it down."

[40:43] Naomi on the challenges of accessing up-to-date scientific research to help write her story

"That's what I like about writing science actually – just the wonder and the curiosity that you can really imbue in it. The wonder at the natural world."

[47:05] Naomi on writing her endings, and her thoughts on outlining

[51:57] Naomi on taking random freelance assignments, and her view on saying yes or no to work opportunities as a freelancer

[54:46] Naomi on her potential future as a freelancer, and why writers shouldn't necessarily feel they have to work exclusively in that field

"If you get too attached to this career, it can really chew you up and spit you out if you feel like you need to be making all of your money from journalism … there's nothing wrong with having a day job and doing a few pieces on the side that you're really passionate about."

[56:35] Naomi on the writing and writers she likes to read

[59:18] Naomi answers our (slightly different) hypothetical regarding her dream freelance assignment

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Read Sam's piece on Cristiano Ronaldo here

[02:45] Sam talks about freelance work during the pandemic

[04:15] Sam on the gradual move of his work from largely in magazines to online, including the US-based Athletic website

"There's never been more content but people are annoyed if they have to pay for it, but … the research and time that goes into great pieces requires money."

[09:20] Sam on the origins of his journalism career, which began at Manchester United Magazine

"I left when I didn't think it could get too much better. They played in the World Club Championship and my assignment was to go to Brazil for 10 days in January – during the British winter – at a hotel on Copacabana Beach."

[11:55] Sam on being a 'Manchester United expert', and branching out from that both within and outside football

[13:22] Sam talks about his parents, who are both Australian journalists

"Coming from a journalist family, where both my parents were on Fleet Street, naturally I thought, 'I'd like to do that too'. But then sport was my passion, so I thought I'd marry the two"

[16:40] Sam talks about his father, John Pilger, a renowned investigative journalist and documentary maker

"He's been making documentaries for 50 years. He has inspired me. He's my dad, he's my hero, I love him and his work has always been a source of great pride."

[17:30] Sam talks about the current journalism/media climate

"It does seem things become harder as you go along in terms of access and in terms of making a living from freelance sports journalism. It is possible – I wouldn't shy anybody away from it."

"In many ways it's harder because the competition is huge and there's so much and there's less opportunities, but in many ways it's easier because the gatekeepers aren't there."

[22:50] Sam on interviewing and writing about Lebron James, and the "incredible" access to sportspeople in the US

"Ten minutes after the buzzer, the locker room door would open and you'd walk in and you could talk to who you like … the access is incredible. The Premier League would never let anything [similar happen]."

[26:00] Sam on the importance of establishing contacts, maintaining relationships and having a preparedness to "play the game" as a freelancer

"I feel I'm lucky looking back that I did so many interviews, because I think interviews are becoming a dying art now … we were the conduit, now they don't need [us]; if they want to say something they put it on Instagram or Twitter."

[29:45] Sam goes into his story about a young Cristiano Ronaldo's audition for Manchester United

"If that draws you in, that's great, I've done my job. If you can find that morsel, that moment, that symbolises the piece and offers you more, then you're doing your job."

[38:35] Sam talks about ways to get superstar sportspeople to go beyond their usual clichés in responses

"I think the best writing is telling people something they don't know … if you can find that morsel of information or a bit of colour, that's what they want, and to feel they're there. An old editor of mine said, 'Let them smell the cologne'."

[44:00] Sam on his work as a copywriter

[46:20] Sam on the writers who inspire him

[48:45] Sam answers our hypothetical: dead or alive, who would you love to interview in-depth and then write about

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