Anne Okafor didn’t follow a traditional route into construction. From leaving school at 16 and experiencing homelessness, to years spent in hospitality and retail, to taking a leap of faith back into education in her late twenties, Anne’s journey is built on courage, curiosity, and choosing to keep going.

In this episode of Success or Excuses, James Fleming sits down with Anne Okafor to explore the decisions that shaped her life and career. Anne shares how a spontaneous college application changed everything, why she moved three and a half hours to a city where she knew no one, and how that single decision led to a decade-long career in construction planning.

They talk openly about limiting beliefs around education and maths, the power of networking, redundancy and reinvention, and Anne’s progression from not knowing anyone in the industry to becoming Chair of the CIOB Northern Scotland region. Anne also explains why she’s now pursuing a PhD in sustainable procurement in collaboration with the NHS, and what real courage looks like when life doesn’t go to plan.

This is an honest, grounded conversation about belief, resilience, and taking action when the path ahead isn’t clear.

Key moments include: ✔️ Leaving school at 16 and navigating homelessness ✔️ Feeling stuck in hospitality and retail ✔️ Taking a leap back into education with no safety net ✔️ Challenging limiting beliefs around maths and learning ✔️ Achieving a first-class honours degree ✔️ Redundancy, reinvention, and starting a business ✔️ Building a global professional network through the CIOB ✔️ Becoming Chair of the CIOB Northern Scotland region ✔️ Starting a PhD in sustainable procurement with NHS collaboration ✔️ Anne’s three core principles: curiosity, courage, and action

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Timestamps [00:00] James opens the episode and welcomes Anne [00:55] Anne introduces herself and her role in construction planning [02:57] Leaving school at 16 and experiencing homelessness [03:40] Working in hospitality and retail and feeling stuck [04:14] Applying for college on the train home from holiday [05:35] Moving three and a half hours to Stirling with no support network [07:12] Believing university wasn’t “for people like me” [09:39] Returning to education and overcoming self-doubt [10:10] Achieving a first-class honours degree [13:17] Wanting to make the construction industry better [15:15] Advice for women considering construction [16:07] Discovering the CIOB and the power of networking [17:33] Becoming Chair of the CIOB Northern Scotland region [21:07] Redundancy and relying on professional networks [22:19] Starting her own business [25:15] Applying for a PhD after redundancy [27:02] Balancing consultancy work with PhD study [29:14] Giving back through mentoring and STEM work [33:08] AI, leadership, and why human skills still matter [40:45] Starting the PhD in sustainable procurement with the NHS [46:05] Challenging long-held beliefs about maths [53:06] Anne’s top three pieces of advice [57:10] James closes the episode

Shannon McKechnie didn’t wait for life to hand her the perfect plan, she built one step by step. From leaving school unsure of her path, to finding her competitive spark in a call centre, to rising quickly through Reed and Search, Shannon’s journey is one of graft, resilience, and choosing bravery even when it felt uncomfortable.

In this episode of Success or Excuses, James Fleming sits down with Shannon to uncover the real story behind her career in recruitment and how it led her to becoming Managing Director at MBN Solutions. From the shift from traditional face-to-face hiring to AI-driven talent processes, to navigating a male-dominated tech sector, Shannon’s path has been shaped by bold decisions, difficult lessons, and learning to lead as herself.

This conversation goes deep into the realities of recruitment today: why CVs often miss the truth, how AI is changing the game for candidates and employers, and why human connection still matters more than ever. Shannon also opens up about the impact of COVID, the career coaching that redirected her path, and the support that helped her grow into the leader she is now. If you’ve ever doubted yourself, felt stuck in the wrong version of success, or wondered how to take the next brave step, Shannon’s story will resonate.

Key moments include: ✔️ Starting in a call centre and discovering her competitive streak ✔️ Breaking into recruitment and rising quickly through Reed and Search ✔️ Becoming one of the youngest leaders in the business at 29 ✔️ Why CVs are no longer fit for purpose in an AI-driven hiring world ✔️ The impact of COVID, furlough, and working with a career coach ✔️ Leaving a long-term employer and choosing bravery over comfort ✔️ Moving into data and AI recruitment and joining MBN Solutions ✔️ The crucial support from CEO Michael and being allowed to lead as herself ✔️ The realities for women in male-dominated industries and caring roles ✔️ How to challenge negative self-talk and build bravery ✔️ Why attitude, personality, and human connection still matter more than keywords ✔️ Redefining success as happiness, gratitude, and freedom ✔️ Shannon’s top three pieces of advice: kindness, bravery, and finding joy

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Follow Shannon: Shannon LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/in/shannonmckechnie/ Company LinkedIn → https://www.linkedin.com/company/mbn-recruitment-solutions/

Timestamps [00:00] James opens the episode and welcomes Shannon [00:00:51] Shannon introduces herself and MBN Solutions [02:16] AI, fear, speed, and how it’s changing recruitment [07:17] Why CVs aren’t accurate and the rise of video-first hiring [12:07] Recruitment challenges, sales hiring, and candidate truthfulness [16:06] Shannon’s early life, call centre days, and start in recruitment [19:27] Discovering competitiveness and rising quickly at Reed [22:30] Becoming one of the youngest associate directors at Search [25:42] COVID, furlough, and working with a career coach [29:06] Moving into tech and AI recruitment [29:50] Joining MBN Solutions and stepping into the MD role [30:20] Support from CEO Michael and leading authentically [33:07] Female role models and shaping her leadership style [36:52] Redefining success as happiness, freedom, and people [41:10] The realities for women in business and caring roles [43:45] How to build bravery and shift negative self-talk [53:00] How candidates can stand out in today’s job market [55:59] Shannon’s top three pieces of advice [57:10] James closes the episode

Most people spend their late teens figuring life out. At 18, Niall McCabe was walking into £300,000 homes praying no one would answer the door because he was the estate agent selling the house, and somehow from that terrified first valuation to becoming one of the top-ranked agents in Europe, he’s built a career in an industry where nobody expected someone his age to last, never mind lead.

From leaving school at 16 because the classroom never worked for him, to winging his way through early valuations, to navigating an industry dominated by people twice his age, Niall’s story is proof that graft, personality, and a bit of panic-driven resilience can take you further than anyone imagines.

In this episode of Success or Excuses, James Fleming sits down with Niall to dig into the real journey behind his rise. The nerves, the graft, the pressure, the wins and the moments he thought he’d made the worst decision of his life.

You’ll hear how he built a name for himself from scratch, how COVID nearly wiped everything out, how he rebuilt through pure consistency, and why treating clients like actual humans (and not transactions) has become his edge.

This one is full of straight-up honesty, Scottish humour, and real-world lessons on building credibility long before you feel ready.

Key moments include: ✔️ Leaving school at 16 and jumping straight into sales ✔️ Getting into estate agency young and why it terrified him ✔️ Winging early valuations and building confidence the hard way ✔️ The pressure, doubt, and loneliness of the early years ✔️ Why resilience and competitiveness carried him through ✔️ Going from self-employed to owning his own franchise ✔️ How small gestures make a massive difference to clients ✔️ COVID wiping out his pipeline overnight and how he rebuilt ✔️ Hitting top rankings across Scotland, the UK, and Europe ✔️ Inspiring the next generation at his old school ✔️ Niall’s top three pieces of advice for life and business

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Timestamps: [00:00] James opens the episode and welcomes Niall [00:49] Niall introduces himself and shares how they first met [01:23] Getting into estate agency at 18 [03:03] The nerves of his first valuation [04:38] Early doubts, resilience, and competitive drive [07:24] From self-employed to running his own office [09:06] The power of good service and small gestures [12:10] Industry reputation and outperforming older peers [14:55] Ranking among Europe’s top agents [16:13] Why school wasn’t for him [20:21] Landing his first major estate agency role [25:33] COVID hits fear, cancellations, and rebuilding [36:12] Marketing, consistency, and the long game [39:09] Returning to his old school to inspire students [42:16] Niall’s top three pieces of advice