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The State of It

The State of It

By: The Times
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Real reporting from the coalface of British politics.


Join The Times and The Sunday Times’s political heavyweights Steven Swinford, Patrick Maguire and Lara Spirit as they dig deep into the latest tea room tip offs, reveal insider conversations and bring analysis, authority and insight.


No party loyalty. No spin. Not hosted by some old politicians. Taking you into the real business of politics, from those who live it daily.

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  • "You can't have more Milibands than women in top jobs" - Cain and Abel mark II
    Jun 30 2026

    There is considerable intrigue around Andy Burnham's possible cabinet, not least because the eldest Miliband brother is being linked to the position of Foreign Secretary. Are we about to see UK politic's Cain and Able story return for a second round? And most importantly, Is Andy Burnham ready?

    Burnham's debut speech caused headlines with his bold plans to reshape the British state. But there are difficult questions lurking behind the rhetoric, namely what does any of it actually mean? Plus, Reform UK gears up to choose their top candidates to challenge Burnham in his own backyard.



    Steven Swinford, political editor, The Times

    Lara Spirit, deputy political editor, The Sunday Times

    Patrick Maguire, chief political commentator, The Times


    Producers: Euan Dawtrey, Harry Kitson

    Executive producer: Molly Guinness


    Picture: Getty Images

    Audio: Reuters


    Email us: thestateofit@thetimes.co.uk


    00:00 The Return of David Miliband?

    02:53 The Miliband Brothers Psychodrama

    04:23 Labour's "Boys Club" Optics Problem

    08:02 The Brutal Fight for Top Cabinet Jobs

    11:20 How Burnham is Manipulating Westminster

    13:56 Burnham vs Starmer: The Real Difference

    16:27 The Hidden Cost of Devolution (Tax Rises?)

    19:31 What is "Number 10 North" Really About?

    22:31 Why the Tories Fear Ed Miliband as Chancellor

    25:29 Nigel Farage's Secret Plot for the North

    27:35 The £5 Million Farage Crypto Investigation

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    29 mins
  • Andy Burnham builds a plane mid-flight as Starmer checks out
    Jun 23 2026

    Andy Burnham and Keir Starmer both want an orderly transition but one day in, it's looking anything but orderly.

    It's a transition beset with bad blood and uncertainty and also some serious technical hurdles. Is he building a plane mid-flight or is he more like Gromit, sitting on a speeding train, laying down the track in front of him?

    The biggest unanswered question facing Andy Burnham is who will be his chancellor. Three names are in contention: bookmakers' favourite Wes Streeting, rank outsider Shabana Mahmood, and Ed Miliband — the bête noire of the bond markets.

    Patrick reports from parliament's bars, where the champagne is flowing and Labour MPs have suddenly become shameless attention-seekers, hoping to seduce Andy Burnham's allies.


    Steven Swinford, political editor, The Times

    Lara Spirit, deputy political editor, The Sunday Times

    Patrick Maguire, chief political commentator, The Times


    Producers: Euan Dawtrey, Harry Kitson

    Executive producer: Molly Guinness


    Picture: Getty Images

    Audio: Reuters


    Email us: thestateofit@thetimes.co.uk


    0:00 - Can Andy Burnham Build the Plane Mid-Flight?

    1:15 - Drama on the Commons Terrace: Euphoria & Champagne

    4:20 - Keir Starmer's "Revenge" Timetable

    6:30 - The Next Chancellor: Miliband vs. Streeting vs. Mahmood

    13:12 - Scrapping the Triple Lock & Upcoming Wealth Taxes

    17:37 - Inside Number 10: Starmer's Farewell Speech

    19:33 - The £10bn Defence Plan Rupturing Labour

    21:55 - Civil Service Gridlock: Why Access Talks Are Delayed

    25:20 - The Crypto Billionaire Bankrolling Nigel Farage & Reform UK

    29:00 - Will There Be an Emergency Election?

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    25 mins
  • Keir Starmer resigns. Andy Burnham prepares for power
    Jun 22 2026

    Andy Burnham could be prime minister within weeks after Keir Starmer's resignation. He may now need to build a government before the World Cup final. This is where the real trade-offs start. How long can Andy Burnham's hopey, changey, Northern Soul vibes last in Downing Street? There's already an almighty row going on over who will be his chancellor.

    Also today, where did all go wrong for Keir Starmer and what did Labour MPs think of his resignation speech?

    Wes Streeting has said he will not contest Andy Burnham for the Labour leadership, but are there any other possible candidates for the leadership contest?


    Steven Swinford, political editor, The Times

    Patrick Maguire, chief political commentator, The Times


    Executive producer: Molly Guinness

    Producers: Harry Kitson, Euan Dawtrey


    Picture credit: Getty Images

    Audio: Reuters


    00:00 — Starmer’s Resignation: The Total Lack of Contrition

    00:48 — A Surreal Timeline: Six Prime Ministers in a Decade

    01:56 — The Emotional Exit vs. The Bitter Backroom Reality

    03:04 — Where It Went Wrong: Sins of Tone & Policy U-Turns

    04:30 — The Brutal Verdict: "He Wasn't Up To It"

    05:47 — Outsourcing Power: Sue Gray, McSweeney, and Rachel Reeves

    08:46 — Enter Andy Burnham: Can He Rebrand the Labour Party?

    11:36 — Ed Miliband vs. The Financial Markets

    14:31 — Team Burnham's Impossible Economic Trade-offs

    16:36 — Will the Gloss Wear Off? The Unforgiving Spotlight of No. 10

    18:24 — Legitimacy Crisis: Nigel Farage Demands an Early Election

    20:06 — The Whitehall Machine in Total Chaos

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    21 mins
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