Saf and Zoheb planned to talk about racism in Britain. Before they get there, they spend a long time chatting like two guys who have completely forgotten the microphones are on.

Eventually, they get to the topic of the day, and the conversation turns to British identity, patriotism, Islamophobia, the language used by the media, growing up brown in Britain, and the strange contradiction of wanting the culture without always wanting the people.

It is funny, blunt and uncomfortable in places, which is probably exactly what this conversation needed to be.

Also, yes, Sharon Law enters the chat at one point.

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Saf and Zoheb planned to introduce The Side Room podcast. What actually happened was football, family history, East London stories, growing up brown in the sticks, racism, school memories, getting jumped, and Zoheb explaining why he came home crying from a school that was not for him.

A messy first episode, but in the right way. You get the hosts, the humour, the tangents and the point of the show: honest conversations from two brown Muslim men who rarely stay on topic, but usually end up saying something worth listening to.

Also, yes - Thanos does enter the chat.

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