Welcome back to the Psychedelic Therapy Podcast. I'm your host, Eamon Armstrong. Today on the show, we're welcoming back Tony Moss. Tony is an artist, producer, and member of the Bird Tribe Music Collective. He is also an ayahuasca facilitator with 30 years of experience and has just released a new album, Joy.

In today's conversation, we discuss the magic and science of medicine music. We talk about the state of medicine work in 2024, why psychedelics change the way we hear music, and the difference between an Icaro, a medicine song, and other genres. We also explore the hymns of Santa Daime, Tony's gospel-inspired music, and his new album, Joy, which turns unexpected genres into medicine music.

Tony is a recording artist, producer, and creative director. Born into a musical family of R&B gospel singers, he was raised in California's psychedelic and spiritual cultures. Inspired by over 25 years of working with plant medicines, Tony combines science, shamanism, and multiple music genres to create music dubbed "Soulful Ceremonial."

Timestamps

(05:00) - The state of medicine work in 2024

(10:30) - Why do psychedelics change how we hear music

(18:30) - The difference between an icaro and a medicine song

(29:00) - Some songs are medicine but not medicine music

(35:00) - The Hymns of Santo Daime and Tony’s own Gospel inspired song Grateful

(42:30) - Does speaking without song work?

(50:00) - Tony’s album Joy and making medicine music out of unexpected genres

Links

• Tony Moss: Medicine Music
• Tony Moss (@mosstony)
• JOY | Tony Moss, Bird Tribe

Previous Podcasts

• Tony Moss (I.AM.LIFE): So You Want to Be a Shaman?
• From Activist to Ayahuasca Advocate | Tony Moss (Bird Tribe)
• Ayahuasca for Healing Ancestral Racial Trauma | Tony Moss

Welcome back to the Psychedelic Therapy Podcast. After a hiatus of a year and a half, we're excited to announce our return, thanks to our new sponsors, Hurricane Lotus (formerly Maya, the original sponsor of this show) and Holos Global, we are now back and releasing regular episodes.

On today's show, I’m speaking with Alexander Beiner, author of "The Bigger Picture: How Psychedelics Can Help Us Make Sense of the World." We discuss the roots of the mental health crisis, the role of psychedelics in healing, and what healing actually means according to Beiner. We also explore understanding existential risks and how this relates to psychedelic healing, as well as the ethical dilemmas in psychedelic healing. We conclude our conversation with Alexander's account of his extended state DMT experience at Imperial College London and his belief in the power of the teaching presence.

Alexander Beiner is a writer, cultural commentator, and podcaster. He's one of the founders of Rebel Wisdom, a media and events organization with a quarter of a million subscribers and a focus on making sense of culture and complexity. He's also an executive director of Breaking Convention, Europe's longest-running conference on psychedelic science and culture. He is a leading critical and countercultural voice in the "psychedelic renaissance" and has produced a number of films, articles, and events at the leading edge of the conversation about the potential of psychedelics.

Timestamps:

• (07:00) - The Roots of the Mental Health Crisis
• (13:00) - The Role of Psychedelics in Healing
• (23:00) - Understanding Existential Risks and Psychedelic Healing
• (33:30) - Ethical Dilemmas in Psychedelic Healing
• (42:30) - Alexander’s Extended State DMT Experience and the Teaching Presence

Links:

• Alexander Beiner: Sensemaking
• The Bigger Picture
• The Bigger Picture | Alexander Beiner | Substack
• Alexander Beiner (@alexander_beiner)
• Breaking Convention

Today on the show we are discussing the state of psychedelic legislation in the wake of Colorado’s Proposition 22 passing in November. Sharing the most relevant implications for psychedelic therapists and healers we have the best person for the job, MAPS Director of Policy and Advocacy Ismail Lourido Ali.

On the show we discuss legalization vs decriminalization. We look at the different tracks for psychedelic legalization from medicalization to religious exception to regulated adult use. We discuss Oregon’s Bills 109 and 110 exploring “scope of practice,” residency laws, and training reciprocity. We look at Colorado’s Proposition 22 and the two big differences between that and what was passed in Oregon two years ago. We discuss equity initiatives. Ismail shares what legalization efforts look like on the federal level and to close our conversation, he speaks directly to psychedelic healers.

As MAPS’ Director of Policy and Advocacy, Ismail advocates to eliminate barriers to psychedelic therapy and research, develops and implements legal and policy strategy, and supports MAPS’ governance, non-profit, and ethics work. Ismail earned his J.D. at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law in 2016, after receiving his bachelor’s in philosophy from California State University, Fresno. Ismail has previously worked for the ACLU of Northern California’s Criminal Justice & Drug Policy Project, and Berkeley Law’s International Human Rights Law Clinic. Ismail is licensed to practice law in the state of California, and is a founding board member of the Psychedelic Bar Association. Ismail is passionate about setting sustainable groundwork for a just, equitable, and generative post-prohibition world.

Timestamps

• :06 - Izzy’s role as Director of Policy and Advocacy for MAPS
• :10 - Legalization vs decriminalization
• :16 - Religious exception vs medicalization
• :22 - Oregon’ regulated adult use system (Bill 109)
• :28 “Scope of practice” and psilocybin facilitation licenses in Oregon.
• :34 - Information for practitioners hoping to offer services in Oregon or Colorado including residency laws and training reciprocity
• :40 - Two big differences in the recently passed Colorado’s Prop 22
• :47 - Equity initiatives in Oregon and Colorado
• :54 - What can we anticipate around federal legislation in psychedelics

Links

• Izzy’s Instagram
• Izzy Twitter
• Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies - MAPS
• MAPS Twitter
• MAPS Instagram
• Psychedelic Bar Association
• Guide to RFRA and Best Practices for Psychedelic Plant Medicine Churches
• Oregon Health Authority
• MAPS analysis regarding Oregon’s Measures 109 and 110 passed in Nov 2020
• MAPS analysis regarding Colorado Proposition 122
• MAPS analysis regarding our work on SB519 in CA to decriminalize the personal use of all psychedelics