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The Product Design for Learning Podcast

The Product Design for Learning Podcast

By: Greg Arthur
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Welcome to The Product Design for Learning Podcast! I’m Greg Arthur, and I’m excited to guide you through an in-depth exploration of human-centered design, leadership development, performance consulting and visual design, to create incredible learning products and experiences. Whether you're an industry professional or simply looking to refine your skills, this podcast will help you tackle the challenges of product design with practical strategies that boost engagement and foster growth. Tune in for insights that will sharpen your approach and elevate your impact in the design worldCopyright 2025 Greg Arthur Economics
Episodes
  • Ep.26 L&D Models: Then, Now and Next
    Feb 11 2026

    Summary

    In this engaging conversation, Greg Arthur and Toby discuss the current state of Learning and Development (L&D) models, the challenges posed by outdated frameworks, and the impact of ego on the industry. They explore the necessity for flexibility in learning models, the role of AI in education, and the importance of self-awareness for personal growth. The dialogue emphasizes the need for a shift in mindset within L&D, advocating for a focus on individual development rather than rigid adherence to traditional models. The conversation concludes with reflections on the future of L&D and the potential for new approaches to emerge.



    Takeaways


    L&D is facing a crisis with outdated models.

    Ego plays a significant role in the adherence to traditional models.

    Self-awareness is crucial for personal and professional growth.

    AI is transforming the landscape of L&D.

    Flexibility in learning models is essential for modern education.

    The focus should shift from organizational needs to individual development.

    Challenging existing models can lead to better outcomes.

    The importance of questioning the effectiveness of current practices.

    Learning styles should not be dismissed but adapted to individual preferences.

    The future of L&D requires innovative thinking and adaptability.



    Titles


    Revolutionizing Learning and Development

    The Ego Trap in L&D



    Sound bites


    "Models need to be flexible."

    "Self-awareness is a skill."

    "The Royal Rumble of ROI."



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction and Context Setting

    02:14 The State of Learning and Development Models

    05:12 Challenging Outdated Models

    08:12 The Role of Ego in Learning and Development

    10:53 The Impact of AI on Learning and Development

    13:43 Navigating Change in Learning and Development

    16:34 The Future of Learning and Development

    24:55 The Impact of AI on Learning and Development

    27:56 The Future of L&D in the Age of AI

    33:36 The Need for a Shift in Mindset

    39:11 Developing Self-Awareness in Learning

    43:35 Integrating AI with Human Insight

    45:49 Questioning Learning Models

    48:47 The Debate on Learning Styles

    51:49 The Role of Learning Design

    55:37 Measuring ROI in Learning

    59:23 The Complexity of Development

    01:05:21 The Importance of Discourse


    Keywords


    Learning and Development, L&D Models, Ego in Learning, AI in Education, Self-Awareness, Flexibility in Learning, Future of Learning, Personal Growth, ROI in Learning, Modern Learning Strategies

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    1 hr and 11 mins
  • Ep. 25 Education and the 'rebirth' of Learning (the unintentional Xmas episode)
    Dec 3 2025

    In this conversation, Greg Arthur and Nick Shackleton Jones explore the critical distinctions between education and learning, emphasizing the need for experience design in learning environments. They discuss the influence of social media on learning and development, the challenges posed by traditional learning models, and the importance of context in creating effective learning experiences. The conversation highlights the disconnect between theory and practice in learning, the rituals that often hinder progress, and the necessity for organizations to embrace real learning experiences over superficial metrics. In this conversation, Greg Arthur and Nick explore the evolving landscape of Learning and Development (L&D), discussing the moral dilemmas faced by professionals in the field, the impact of AI on education, and the importance of performance support and experience design. They delve into the challenges of leadership, the disillusionment many feel within the industry, and the need for a shift towards more meaningful learning experiences. The discussion highlights the reactive nature of the industry, the role of compliance, and the future of learning management systems, ultimately emphasizing the necessity of swimming against the tide to create impactful learning environments.


    Titles


    Rethinking Education and Learning

    The Influence of Social Media on Learning



    Sound bites


    "Why don't people change?"

    "It's a moral dilemma in L&D."

    "Do I want to step out of line?"



    Chapters


    00:00 Education vs. Learning: A Fundamental Distinction

    05:47 Conformity and Resistance to Change in Learning

    11:19 Experience Design: Lessons from Other Industries

    17:13 Transformative Experiences: The Power of Small Interactions

    27:57 The Disconnect in Job Advertisements

    32:47 Adapting 5DI for Real-World Applications

    39:38 The Metrics of Success in Learning

    50:06 The Birth of Learning Design

    55:33 Revolutionizing Training for New Consultants

    01:00:37 The Role of Learning Management Systems (LMS) and Experience Platforms (LXP)

    01:06:49 The Evolution of Wearable Technology and User Experience

    01:16:13 Swimming Against the Tide: The Role of Learning in Growth


    Keywords


    education, learning, experience design, social media, learning development, instructional design, performance support, data-driven learning, organizational change, engagement, Learning and Development, AI in Education, Performance Support, Experience Design, Leadership, Compliance, Future of Learning, Technology in Learning, Social Impact of AI, Career Choices in L&D



    Takeaways


    Education and learning are fundamentally different concepts.

    Social media influences the way learning and development discussions occur.

    Traditional learning models often fail to engage learners effectively.

    Experience design is crucial for creating impactful learning experiences.

    Contextual understanding is essential for effective learning.

    Small details in experience design can lead to significant learning outcomes.

    There is often a disconnect between learning theory and practical application.

    Organizations may adopt new language without changing underlying practices.

    Real learning experiences are often neglected in favor of traditional methods.

    Data-driven approaches in learning can sometimes lead to superficial metrics. It's a moral dilemma in L&D to choose between compliance and making a difference.

    Career choices in L&D often lead to a personal decision about impact.

    There's a dichotomy in available roles in the learning industry.

    AI is set to hollow out traditional education roles.

    Performance support is a key area where human input is

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    1 hr and 18 mins
  • Ep. 24 Why I'm leaving Learning.......(for now)
    Nov 19 2025

    Summary

    The conversation explores the significant changes occurring in the industry, focusing on the relevance of skills, the importance of positioning, and the need for professionals to adapt to stay competitive. It highlights the varying responses individuals have to these changes, from actively engaging to feeling left behind.



    Takeaways


    Our industry is undergoing significant transformation.

    The relevance of existing skills is in question.

    Many professionals feel unprepared for these changes.

    Positioning in the market is often neglected.

    Adapting to new skills is essential for success.

    There is a disparity in how individuals respond to change.

    Some are actively pursuing new opportunities, while others are passive.

    Professional development must be prioritized.

    Understanding market dynamics is crucial for career growth.

    Engagement with industry changes is necessary for relevance.



    Titles


    Navigating the Shifting Landscape of Our Industry

    The Relevance of Skills in a Changing World



    Sound bites


    "Chasing the bus is not enough anymore"

    "We need to adapt to stay relevant"

    "Understanding market perception is key"



    Chapters


    00:00 Introduction to the Conversation

    00:27 The State of Learning and Development (L&D)


    Keywords


    industry change, skills relevance, market positioning, professional development, career adaptation

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    1 hr
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