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The Melting Pod brings you stories of our dysfunctional immigration system, and where we go from here. Hosted by three friends who’ve served inside the federal government for two decades and four presidents of both parties, The Melting Pod will give you a deeper understanding of the immigration headlines, without jargon or shallow punditry. Amanda Baran, Doug Rand, and Claire Trickler-McNulty will also bring you extraordinary people with extraordinary stories to tell – about how we got here and where we're going. Political Science Politics & Government Social Sciences
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  • The Reality-Based Economics of Immigration, with Jenny Hunt

    The Reality-Based Economics of Immigration, with Jenny Hunt
    Jun 19 2026
    Jenny Hunt is a Rutgers University professor, the former Chief Economist at the Department of Labor, and a key contributor to the gold-standard, 600-page consensus report on the economic consequences of immigration. Don’t worry, we’re going to summarize it together in 45 breezy minutes! Economists agree that immigration makes native-born Americans wealthier on average, expands the U.S. economy, and has positive long-term effects on government budgets. The main debate is over the impact of immigration on the wages of Americans without a high school education – and they would be helped far more by a stronger social safety net than by restricting immigration. So what’s the anti-immigrant movement really about…? ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (⁠palmer.media⁠). Read more about the topics in this episode: * The Economic and Fiscal Consequences of Immigration - National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (2017) * E Pluribus Unum: Findings from the Cato Institute 2021 Immigration and Identity National Survey - Cato Institute (2021) * Macroeconomic Implications of Immigration Flows in 2025 and 2026 - Brookings Institution (January 2026) * Rising Immigration Has Helped Cool an Overheated Labor Market - Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City (November 2024) [take it with a grain of salt!] * On the Ballot: An Immigration System Most Americans Never Wanted - The Daily / New York Times (October 2024) [take it with an even bigger grain of salt!] * The Cuba-Born Harvard Economist Behind Trump's Immigration Crackdown - Washington Post (January 2026) * Immigrants Have Lower Lifetime Incarceration Rates than Native-Born Americans - Cato Institute (September 2025) * From Chinese to Italians and beyond, maligning a culture via its foods is a longtime American habit - Associated Press (September 2024) ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * ⁠#AfghanEvac⁠ – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * ⁠Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project⁠ – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * ⁠Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI)⁠ – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * ⁠Haitian Bridge Alliance⁠ – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * ⁠International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP)⁠ - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * ⁠Justice Action Center⁠ - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * ⁠Al Otro Lado⁠ - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * ⁠Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley⁠ - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * ⁠Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center⁠ - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * ⁠Support an immigration service provider near you⁠ ==Chapters== (0:00:00) Introduction (0:01:15) Who is Jenny Hunt and what is a serial immigrant? (0:02:55) Is immigration to the U.S. high or low? (0:07:41) What are the economic upsides of immigration? (0:10:56) Winners and losers (but not by much) (0:13:08) That time Donald Trump cited the National Academy of Sciences (0:15:57) Second-generation immigrants do great in the USA (0:17:52) What are the best policies to help the least educated Americans? (0:20:08) That time David Leonhardt cited the National Academy of Sciences (0:23:39) Doug’s best impression of Michael Barbaro (0:25:57) What is the deal with economist George Borjas? (0:28:59) Immigrants and housing costs (0:31:08) The idea of “cheap labor” (0:34:32) Why economists hate the term “labor shortage”... (0:39:22) …and also zero-sum misconceptions about the world (0:42:05) Scapegoating immigrants over crime (0:47:03) The Great Spaghetti Controversy (0:47:50) Conclusion
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    49 mins
  • News Digest: Green Card Chaos, Hunger Strikes, and Stern Dad Energy

    News Digest: Green Card Chaos, Hunger Strikes, and Stern Dad Energy
    Jun 3 2026
    We dive underneath the latest immigration headlines to make sense of the senseless. Why did the Trump administration threaten to shut down U.S. green card processing? Why did the press believe that Markwayne Mullin would be a kinder, gentler DHS Secretary than Kristi Noem? Why is Marco Rubio’s State Department promoting the expulsion of people like Marco Rubio? Plus a 30-second new play and a beautiful story from the steps of the Supreme Court. ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (⁠palmer.media⁠). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Trump’s Insane Green Card Policy Doesn’t Have to Be Legal to Work (w/ Doug Rand) - The Bulwark (May 24, 2026) * Trump on green cards: Speak loudly and carry a little stick - Doug Rand on LinkedIn (May 2026) * Sen. Andy Kim Seeks Changes After Delaney Hall Melee - New Jersey Monitor (May 26, 2026) * What to Know About Protests at New Jersey ICE Facility - Time (May 26, 2026) * Trump's DHS chief rocked by wild rumor about his WIFE - Daily Mail (May 27, 2026) * Stephen Miller in Retreat - The Atlantic (May 11, 2026) * How Trump's Minneapolis Immigration Blitz Hobbled Federal Crime Fighting - Reuters (May 7, 2026) * Under Trump, State Department Language on Migration Echoes That of White Nationalists - NPR (May 15, 2026) * We spend more on ICE and CBP than all other federal law enforcement combined - Doug Rand on LinkedIn (May 2026) * Why MAGA has a problem with Maria [DIGNITY Act] - Politico (April 12, 2026) * The Case for a Different Approach - Lorella Praeli Substack (April 30, 2026) * No More Back Doors: Recapturing the Public's Trust on Immigration - Searchlight Institute (March 2026) * Supreme Court Appears Likely to Side Against Trump on Birthright Citizenship - SCOTUSblog (April 1, 2026) * Haiti & Syria Temporary Protected Status Case at Supreme Court: What You Need to Know - ACLU of Northern California (April 2026) * Trump Secretly Overhauled Citizenship Agency to Focus on Deportations - The New Republic (April 20, 2026) * New Ban Bars Half of Legal Immigrants, Even Citizens' Spouses & Kids - Cato Institute (January 14, 2026) * Press Unpause – USCIS Adjudication Pause Tracker ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * ⁠#AfghanEvac⁠ – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * ⁠Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project⁠ – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * ⁠Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI)⁠ – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * ⁠Haitian Bridge Alliance⁠ – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * ⁠International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP)⁠ - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * ⁠Justice Action Center⁠ - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * ⁠Al Otro Lado⁠ - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * ⁠Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley⁠ - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * ⁠Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center⁠ - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * ⁠Support an immigration service provider near you⁠ ==Chapters== (0:00:00) Intro (0:01:32) The Stone of Destiny (0:03:51) The green card disaster (0:08:43) Do you want to read the little play I wrote? (0:11:29) Hunger strike at a New Jersey ICE facility (0:14:12) Markwayne Mullin goes bananas (0:17:53) Welcome to the new DHS, same as the old DHS (0:23:40) Is Stephen Miller “in retreat”? (0:26:54) The unspeakable ugliness of “Remigration” (0:30:02) Funding battles in Congress (0:35:12) The DIGNITY Act (0:41:41) Dueling think tanks (0:49:43) The Supreme Court and birthright citizenship (0:51:58) The Supreme Court and Temporary Protected Status (0:56:39) The continuing destruction of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (1:06:21) Super-secret easter egg
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    1 hr and 8 mins
  • The Truth About ICE, with Jason Houser

    The Truth About ICE, with Jason Houser
    May 26 2026
    From calls to abolish ICE to deeply held misconceptions about immigration and criminality, few agencies generate more heat and less light than Immigration and Customs Enforcement. In this episode, we dig into the reality of how ICE actually operates, including the fact that the vast majority of people ICE arrests have no criminal record. Jason Houser served as ICE Chief of Staff and is an Intelligence Officer in the Navy Reserve. He joins us to sort out truth from fiction: Why is the Trump administration redirecting criminal law enforcement agents to civil deportation work? Is that akin to defunding the police? How many ICE officers actually need to be armed? And what should the future of this agency look like? ==Learn More== Amanda, Claire, and Doug express their own personal opinions on The Melting Pod. This episode was produced by Michael Palmer (⁠palmer.media⁠). Read more about the topics in this episode: * Agents with Homeland Security Investigations push to break away from ICE, saying negative reputation hurts their work - Washington Post (December 29, 2021) * ICE Has Diverted Over 25,000 Officers from Their Jobs - Cato Institute (September 3, 2025) * U.S. Unauthorized Immigrant Population Reached a Record 14 Million in 2023 - Pew Research Center (August 21, 2025) * 5% of People Detained by ICE Have Violent Convictions, 73% No Convictions - Cato Institute (November 26, 2025) * What Is a Sanctuary City? - Vera Institute of Justice (April 22, 2025) * One Bovino After Another - The American Prospect (January 27, 2026) * ICE Recruitment Tweets Are So Racist That Cops Feared They Could Incite Neo-Nazi Violence - The Intercept (May 21, 2026) ==Corrections== (1) Border Patrol has expanded checkpoint and search authorities within 100 miles of any land border or U.S. coastline. About two-thirds of the U.S. population live within this area, which includes Chicago, Los Angeles, and New York City (but not Minneapolis). Explainer: U.S. Border Patrol Authorities and the 100-Mile Border Zone - National Immigration Forum (March 31, 2026) (2) Alas, the Nicolas Cage character in National Treasure is “an American treasure hunter and cryptologist,” not an HSI agent. But the Harvey Keitel character is an FBI special agent in charge of hunting down antiquities! If the stolen Declaration of Independence crossed an international border, surely he’d pull in HSI… ==Give More== Want to help build a more sane and humane immigration system? Support hardworking organizations like these: National: * ⁠#AfghanEvac⁠ – working to ensure the U.S. keeps its promise to our Afghan allies * ⁠Asylum Seeker Advocacy Project⁠ – the country’s largest membership organization of asylum seekers, working together for change * ⁠Black Alliance for Just Immigration (BAJI)⁠ – organizing and advocating for racial, social and economic justice * ⁠Haitian Bridge Alliance⁠ – providing humanitarian, legal, and social services * ⁠International Refugee Assistance Project (IRAP)⁠ - strategic litigation and advocacy to uphold the rights of people seeking safety * ⁠Justice Action Center⁠ - immigrant justice through litigation and storytelling Local: * ⁠Al Otro Lado⁠ - legal and humanitarian support to refugees, deportees, and other migrants in the U.S. and Tijuana * ⁠Catholic Charities Rio Grande Valley⁠ - providing assistance to the poor and most vulnerable populations in the Rio Grande Valley community * ⁠Las Americas Immigrant Advocacy Center⁠ - free and low-cost legal services to immigrants and refugees in West Texas, New Mexico, and Ciudad Juarez, Mexico * ⁠Support an immigration service provider near you⁠ ==Chapters== (0:00:00) Intro (0:00:54) Meet Jason Houser (0:04:17) What does the Chief of Staff of ICE do? (0:05:29) What is the purpose of ICE? (0:07:06) What is the difference between Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO)? (0:11:25) When HSI tried to break away from ICE (0:12:58) Immigration enforcement is civil, not criminal (0:16:13) Indiscriminate deportations vs. enforcement priorities (0:22:00) ICE and local law enforcement (0:25:23) Chief Bovino’s carnival act (0:28:32) Donald Trump defunds the police (0:29:42) What is a sanctuary city? (0:38:03) Scapegoating immigrants as criminals (0:41:19) ICE is mostly desk jobs (0:47:35) Why does an ICE officer need a gun? (0:49:16) What is the future of ICE?
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    1 hr and 2 mins
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