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The Good Apocalypse Podcast

The Good Apocalypse Podcast

By: Alex Evans
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Host Alex Evans talks with fascinating people about how to navigate the turbulent times we’re living through. Some may want to stoke fear, rage and division, but at the Good Apocalypse Podcast we’re focusing on how we can steady ourselves, find purpose and meaning, and build connection with others as ways towards a brighter future.


Formerly the Larger Us Podcast.


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  • Fighting with Nonviolence with Scilla Elworthy
    Jan 26 2026

    Alex Evans interviews Dr. Scilla Elworthy, renowned peacebuilder and founder of the Oxford Research Group and Peace Direct. They discuss the power of dialogue in defusing nuclear tensions, the critical role of humility and listening in conflict mediation, the impact of trauma on world leaders, and the increasing influence of women in diplomacy. Dr. Elworthy shares lessons from her decades of peace work, offers practical advice on building empathy and resilience, and highlights the transformative potential of “inner work.” The conversation concludes with practical advice for individuals seeking to build peace.

    Key topics

    - The origins and impact of the Oxford Research Group’s nuclear dialogues
    - The role of trust-building, silence, and listening in conflict resolution
    - How humiliation, contempt, and trauma drive conflict
    - The rising influence and unique approach of women in peace and diplomacy
    - Meditation and contemplative practices in facilitating dialogue
    - The necessity of inner personal work for effective external peacebuilding
    - Personal stories of inspiration and hope in peace work
    - Practical advice: stopping, breathing, and listening, in order to foster peace

    People

    Dr. Scilla Elworthy is a peace activist, founder of the Oxford Research Group and Peace Direct, author and has been nominated three times for the Nobel Peace Prize. Scilla pioneered effective dialogue between nuclear weapons policy-makers and their critics through the Oxford Research Group, which she founded in 1982.

    In 2002 she founded Peace Direct, to support and learn from local peace-builders in conflict zones. She has advised Archbishop Desmond Tutu and Sir Richard Branson on establishing The Elders, and in 2003 received the Niwano Peace Prize.

    Today, Scilla focuses on developing The Mighty Heart, a course that equips people with ten practical skills for transforming conflict. The course helps break cycles of violence and supports paths toward dialogue and agreement.

    Alex Evans is the founder and Executive Director of Larger Us. He’s also a Visiting Professor in Practice at Newcastle University’s School of Arts and Cultures, a Senior Fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation, and the author of The Myth Gap: What Happens When Evidence and Arguments Aren’t Enough? (Penguin, 2017).

    Alex is a former Campaign Director at Avaaz, where he ran campaigns on areas including Brexit and human rights. He’s also been a political adviser, including for two UK Secretaries of State for International Development and in the UN Secretary-General’s office, and as a consultant for organisations from Oxfam to the US National Intelligence Council.

    Further Reading

    The Business Plan for Peace by Scilla Elworthy

    Making Terrorism History by Scilla Elworthy & Gabrielle Rifkind

    Peace Research Institute Oslo (PRIO) conflict data.

    Writings and talks by Thich Nhat Hanh

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    48 mins
  • A new story of Englishness with Caroline Lucas
    Dec 9 2025

    Co-hosts Claire Brown and Alex Evans welcome former Green Party leader and MP Caroline Lucas. They discuss the evolution of green politics in Britain, and can help shape a better future.

    Key Topics:

    - Caroline Lucas’s Journey. Her path to becoming the UK Green Party’s first MP.

    - Green Party Now. The party’s growth under new leader Zack Polanski.

    - Progressive Alliances & Electoral Reform. Proportional representation and how can progressive parties collaborate more effectively?

    - English Identity Post-Brexit. Caroline discusses her new book, “Another England”. What does Englishness mean today?

    - History, Empire & Education. Unpacking Britain’s colonial past.

    - Religion & Politics. The risks of ceding these "mythic" spaces to the hard right.

    - Democracy & Local Power. Radical devolution, participatory democracy, and grassroots innovation.

    - Climate Action for All. Why “inclusive adaptation” matters.

    People:

    Caroline Lucas was the UK’s first Green Party Member of Parliament (between 2010 and 2024), and before that served as a Member of the European Parliament for 10 years. She has also served as Leader and Co-Leader of the Green Party of England and Wales.

    She is passionate about the role of education and the arts in mobilising action on the climate and nature emergencies. Caroline is Professor of Practice in Environmental Sustainability at the University of Sussex and Co-President of the European Movement. Her latest book is Another England: How to Reclaim our National Story.

    Alex Evans is the founder and Executive Director of Larger Us. He’s also a Visiting Professor in Practice at Newcastle University’s School of Arts and Cultures, a Senior Fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation, and the author of "The Myth Gap: What Happens When Evidence and Arguments Aren’t Enough?" (Penguin, 2017). Alex is a former Campaign Director at Avaaz, where he ran campaigns on areas including Brexit. He’s also been a political adviser, including for two UK Secretaries of State for International Development and in the UN Secretary-General’s office.

    Claire Brown

    Claire has spent most of her career living and working in and with communities that have been disadvantaged by inequality. This includes time spent as a journalist reporting on the issues impacting former coal mining towns in Nottinghamshire and South Yorkshire; helping to design and find funding for programmes tackling problems like youth crime, homelessness and health inequality; and making it fun and easy for locals to cook and eat with refugees who are new to their area. Communication and proactive community engagement has always been at the core of her work, spanning journalism, education, charity and the arts.

    Further Reading:

    The Myth Gap by Alex Evans

    Another England by Caroline Lucas

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    47 mins
  • The Long Crisis Scenarios with David Steven
    Nov 17 2025

    Host Alex Evans is joined by David Steven, a senior fellow at the UN Foundation, senior fellow at NYU’s Center on International Cooperation, and Managing Director of River Path Associates. Longtime collaborators, Alex and David reflect on the "Long Crisis Scenarios" they developed during the pandemic and discuss how those ideas have fared five years on.

    Key Topics:

    - David’s path to international work
    - Four key global risks: acute shocks, long-term stresses, deliberate disruption and folly, ignorance, neglect.
    - Layers of crisis unfolding at different speeds
    - The Four Long Crisis Scenarios Revisited: “Rise of the Oligarchs”, “Big Mother, “Fragile, Resilient”, “Winning Ugly”
    - Reflections on risk, governance and international institutions
    - The United Nations and the future of multilateralism
    - Reasons to be hopeful

    People:

    David Steven is a seasoned analyst and consultant specialising in global governance, crisis management, and international cooperation. With experience advising the UN, World Bank, governments and more, David brings insight from decades working on global issues, policy papers, and scenario planning alongside Alex.

    Alex Evans is the founder and Executive Director of Larger Us. He’s also a Visiting Professor in Practice at Newcastle University’s School of Arts and Cultures, a Senior Fellow at New York University’s Center on International Cooperation, and the author of "The Myth Gap: What Happens When Evidence and Arguments Aren’t Enough?" (Penguin, 2017). Alex is a former Campaign Director at Avaaz, where he ran campaigns on areas including Brexit. He’s also been a political adviser, including for two UK Secretaries of State for International Development and in the UN Secretary-General’s office.

    Resources and Further Reading:

    The Long Crisis Scenarios, Local Trust
    Confronting the Long Crisis of Globalisation, Brookings Institution
    Shooting the rapids: multilateralism and global risks, The Global Dashboard

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    58 mins
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