Episodes

  • EP - 32 Dentist Elves, SHRM's Mistakes, Lawsuit Politics, and Clydesdales In the Empty Red Seat
    Jan 20 2026

    In this episode the guys lay out SHRM's dirty laundry for everybody to see. They discuss the $11.5M case specifics, the rumored toxic work environment at national SHRM, and how politics play into it all. It needs to be said. They mention the HR Besties podcast and critique their takes and the attempts of some to take down SHRM and its local affiliates.

    Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    Learn more about our sponsor MegastarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/
    Learn more about the books referenced on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast
    This podcast supports Pucks for Autism. Learn more at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/

    The podcast notes that no parakeets were harmed in the recording of this podcast, they volunteered their voices to contribute to the sunny nature of the episode.

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    1 hr and 22 mins
  • EP 31 The Very Cool Sexy Subject of I9's with Karisa Stahle
    Jan 13 2026

    The guys talk to Karisa Stahle about I9's, 1099 Employees, and how to do audits during an incredibly difficult time. The guys check in with Karisa on the state HR, talk AI a little, and talk about how to go about an I9 audit. Where to start and how to keep everybody calm when you let them know you need to redo some paperwork.

    Learn more about Karisa Stahle at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/karisa-stahle-mba-shrm-cp-23395950/
    Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    Learn more about our sponsor, MegaStarHR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/
    Learn more about the books referenced on the Podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast

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    1 hr and 5 mins
  • EP 30 Fantastic Stickers With Tracie Kalmar
    Jan 6 2026

    The guys talk to Tracie Kalmar about how tough it was to work with Steve (which she claims was great), building culture, cutesy stickers, interviewing for humility, and a lot more. Listeners get an update on Steve's cat flooding his bathrooms and Tony gets exposed for saying the word fantastic too much. The guys introduce a new charity you can work with and the word strategic gets said more often than you'd expect.

    Learn more about Tracie Kalmar at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tracie-kalmar-09b043121/
    Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    Learn more about the books mentioned on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast
    Learn more about our sponsor at: https://www.megastarhr.com/
    Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/

    Tracie's goal is to create and maintain a culture that fosters growth and continual improvement, all while balancing the needs of employees and embracing that we are all humans serving humans. She recruits and finds the right position for the right people while delivering the most comfortable experience, and also strives to have active communication with the new hire for not only the onboarding and training process but building trust between all parties.

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    1 hr and 19 mins
  • EP 29 The Lawyer is in With Mark Tolman
    Dec 30 2025

    The guys talk to Mark Tolman, a company side employment attorney, and the most common EEOC complaints, executive orders, and some legal updates. Learn about Muldrow v. City of St. Louis and other cases. Did you know that you can get a restraining order against former employees and others who make threats? Who files more of those than anybody else in Utah? Oh... and the episode isn't boring!

    Learn more about Mark Tolman at: https://parsonsbehle.com/people/mark-d-tolman or https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-tolman-2b70a7a/
    Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin and The Grange Strategic HR Consulting at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn More about Steven "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    See a list of books mentioned on the podcast: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast
    Learn more about our sponsor MegaStar HR at: https://www.megastarhr.com/
    The HR Life Podcast supports the following Charities: https://www.pucksforautism.com/ and https://www.thrivelifeproject.org/

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    1 hr and 19 mins
  • EP 28 Merry Christmas! At Twice the Speed While Watching Predator!
    Dec 23 2025

    From our families to yours, Merry Christmas! The guys give you an insight into their personal lives by having their wives on the podcast. Does Steve sometimes leave off the true ending of the story? Why does Tony respond slower now instead of just saying the first thing that pops into his head? Listen to the podcast and find out. Get an insight into the cardinal rule of the podcast and where it came from.

    A special thank you to Alicia Smith and Rachel Benjamin for joining the podcast and your support. We can't do this without you!

    Get a ticket to see Steel Magnolias in Vernal, Jan 16 to 24 at: https://vernaltheatre.com/shows/steel-magnolias/
    Learn more about Jack State at: https://www.jsu.edu/
    Learn more about Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steven J. Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    Learn more about Pucks for Autism at: https://www.pucksforautism.com/

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    57 mins
  • EP 27 Compassion and Exciting, Fancy Psychobabble With Andrea Hollingsworth
    Dec 16 2025

    This is the episode Steve's been teasing for more than a month! Tony and Steve talk compassion with Andrea Hollingsworth. Listen in as Andrea crowd surfs the "live studio audience" and dispels the idea that compassion is a lot of workplace hugs. The guys talk to her about the difference between empathy and compassion, and discuss the fight or flight response generated when employees don't feel safe. Andrea's insights feed a deeper understanding of the workplace.

    Learn more about Andrea Hollingsworth at: https://hollingsworthconsulting.com/
    Get Andrea's book here: https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+compassion+advantage+book&crid=3IFCIXBF6LBEE&sprefix=the+compassion+advan%2Caps%2C158&ref=nb_sb_ss_p13n-expert-pd-ops-ranker_1_20
    Learn more about Tony Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steven "Big Deal Smith" at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    See a list of all of the books referred to on the Podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast
    Learn more about our sponsor, MegaStar HR, at: https://www.megastarhr.com/
    Steve and Tony highly recommend supporting the Thrive Life Project. Learn more at: https://www.thrivelifeproject.org/

    Andrea Hollingsworth, Ph.D., is an acclaimed keynote speaker, bestselling and award winning author, and trusted consultant who’s spent years studying the transformative power of compassion. Since 2008, she has been speaking and writing about the science and spirituality of human emotions and relationships.

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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • EP 26 $600k Worth of Stats, Confused Culture, and Dissent with Weslie Porter
    Dec 9 2025

    The guys talk to Weslie Porter, Director of People Analytics for the State of Utah, and he drops some amazing stats that have the ability to change how you view HR. Wes gives some amazing insights into motivation, dissent, and the actual role of human resources. From artillery specialists in the Army to private sector employees just onboarded, how do you gather data and build excellence? Find out in this episode.

    Learn More:
    Learn more about Weslie Porter at: https://www.linkedin.com/in/weslie-porter-mpa-20504612b/
    Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steven "Big Deal Smith" at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    Find all the books referred to in the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast
    Learn more about our sponsor at: https://www.megastarhr.com/
    The guys recommend supporting The Thrive Life Project at: https://www.thrivelifeproject.org/

    Wes Porter Bio:
    Weslie M. Porter has more than 20 years of experience in public administration and currently serves as the Director of People Analytics for the State of Utah within the Department of Human Resource Management. He is a Lieutenant Colonel in the Utah Army National Guard, where he has held key leadership assignments including Battalion Commander, Battalion Operations Officer, Brigade HR Officer, Battery Commander, and multinational and interagency Liaison Officer, with deployments to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Middle East. In addition to his military career, Wes spent 10 years in higher education as Director of Business and Trades, instructor, and program developer, creating programs that advanced workforce readiness and strengthened community partnerships. His expertise spans human resources, organizational culture, leadership development, and workforce analytics, leading initiatives that improve employee engagement and organizational effectiveness across state agencies. Wes co-founded multiple nonprofits, serves as Board Chair for a local charter school, and holds a bachelor’s degree in Criminal Justice and a Master of Public Administration from Southern Utah University. He and his wife, Emily, are raising six children in rural Utah.

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    1 hr and 16 mins
  • EP 25 Yea... International HR with Desma and Elrona D'Souza
    Dec 2 2025

    The guys talk to Desma and Elrona D'Souza, the "HR Sisters" and owners of S&K HR Consulting. What is it like to live in a country where 80% of the population is imported? What is similar between HR in Dubai and the US, what is different? If you give somebody a bobblehead of Tony in Dubai is it a positive thing or not?

    Desma D'Souza - After spending over 15 years building a successful corporate career, Desma D’Souza took a bold leap into entrepreneurship after a transformative sabbatical. Today, she serves as Managing Partner at S&K HR Consulting, the trusted HR consultancy for international businesses setting up or expanding to the UAE. Drawing from nearly two decades of HR experience across diverse industries, Desma brings a unique blend of operational insight and entrepreneurial energy to the table. At S&K, she leads Marketing and Business Development, serving as the first point of contact for global businesses entering the UAE. Desma is also the co-creator and co-host of The HR Sisters Podcast, the UAE’s first HR podcast designed for entrepreneurs. Through relatable conversations and real-world examples, the show simplifies UAE HR topics and supports the region’s growing business ecosystem with practical, actionable insights. Her work is anchored in one belief: HR is a strategic advantage. With a focus on building compliant HR foundations, Desma’s mission is to help business owners thrive without compromising culture or employee experience. A committed lifelong learner, she invests heavily in continuous development through coaching, reading, and staying ahead of global trends. As one of the UAE’s Top 1% HR Creators on LinkedIn, she shares insights with over 41,000 followers, inspiring better leadership and smarter people practices. Desma is available for Keynotes, panels, and advisory roles where her expertise in HR, entrepreneurship, and business scaling can create lasting impact.

    Elrona Silba D'Souza - With over 24 years of deep HR expertise, Elrona Silba D’Souza serves as Managing Partner at S&K HR Consulting, the trusted HR consultancy for international businesses setting up or expanding to the UAE. She also helps start-ups and SMEs grow their profitability through simplified, scalable, and founder-friendly HR systems. Having lived in the UAE for almost 44 years and consulted across 54+ industries, Elrona brings a rare GLOCAL perspective to her work blending global best practices with grounded, real-world understanding of the UAE market. This fusion of insight allows her to guide international founders with clarity while supporting homegrown businesses with proven, practical solutions. Elrona’s approach is built on a simple belief: HR is the bridge between people and profit. Her work focuses on building strong HR foundations, improving decision-making for leaders, and creating workplace cultures where performance and well-being can co-exist. As one of the region’s most respected HR voices as UAE’s Top 2% HR Creator on LinkedIn, Elrona is frequently invited to share her expertise at leading industry platforms, including the Middle East HR Summits and Nationalization Conferences. Her perspectives on HR, culture, and organizational design have also been featured in respected publications like the HR Observer, further solidifying her position as an industry thought leader. Elrona is available for Keynotes, panels and advisory roles where her expertise in setting up businesses in the UAE, HR practices in UAE and cultural intelligence can create meaningful and lasting impact.

    Learn more about Elrona and Desma at: https://snk.ae/
    Learn more about Tony "Two Weeks' Notice" Benjamin at: https://www.thegrangellc.com/
    Learn more about Steve "Big Deal" Smith at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/
    Find books referred to on the podcast at: https://thehiringtreebook.com/hr-life-podcast
    Learn more about our sponsor at: https://www.megastarhr.com/

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    1 hr and 28 mins