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The Fire You Carry

The Fire You Carry

By: Nole Lilley and Kevin Welsh
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Hosted by Nole and Kevin, two active-duty Los Angeles County Firemen with over a decade of service each, this podcast explores the fire we all carry within. Join them as they interview respected men and share lessons on how to be better husbands, fathers, and leaders. Drawing from the front lines, they tackle issues like trauma, fitness, and family life, providing universal principles for any man looking to stoke his inner fire and live with purpose.

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Episodes
  • 271: Heavy Small Talk
    May 4 2026

    In this deeply personal solo episode, Nole explores the complex social dilemma that arises from a simple, ubiquitous question: "Do you have kids?" Drawing inspiration from the book Hope is the First Dose by Dr. W. Lee Warren, Nole discusses the internal tug-of-war between social convenience and honoring the memory of his two sons, Asher and Paxton. He breaks down how he navigates these conversations in different circles, from the firehouse to new friendships, and offers a practical "Tactical Pause" framework for listeners on both sides of a heavy conversation.

    Key Discussion Points

    • The Three-Question Trap: How standard small talk (How long on the job? Where have you worked? Are you married?) often leads to a "conversational grenade" when the topic of children arises for a grieving parent.
    • The Honesty Dilemma: The struggle between giving the "easy" answer (focusing only on living children) and the "honest" answer, which carries the weight of loss but honors the family’s full story.
    • The Three Tiers of Connection:
      1. The Acquaintance/Stranger: Navigating interactions with people you may never see again.
      2. The Growing Friendship: Why it’s important to "stop the flow" and share the hard parts of your story early with those who will be in your life.
      3. The Professional Crew: The necessity of situational awareness and vulnerability within a high-stakes team like a fire engine company.
    • Authenticity over Comfort: Nole reflects on a recent conviction to be more authentic in his beliefs and history, even if it creates a "tactical pause" or social awkwardness.

    The "Tactical Pause" Framework

    Nole provides advice for when you inadvertently ask a question that yields a heavy, unexpected response:

    1. Take a Tactical Pause: Stop for a few beats. Recognize the weight of the information given.
    2. Avoid Clichés: Phrases like "everything happens for a reason" or "they’re in a better place" are often unhelpful in the moment of disclosure.
    3. Ask for Permission: Instead of asking "What happened?" directly, try: "I'm so sorry, I didn't know. Would it be alright if I asked more about that, or are you okay talking about it?"
    4. Be Brave Enough to Stay: Entering the "muddy waters" of someone’s grief can be a profound act of love and validation.

    Big thank you to My Epic and Facedown Records for the use of their song "Hail" in our podcast!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz2RZThURTU&ab_channel=FacedownRecords

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    The Fire You Carry on YouTube.

    Sign up for a class at The Fire Up Program!
    https://www.fireupprogram.com/programs

    The Fire Up Progam video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__ErPW46Ec&t=12s&ab_channel=FireUpProgram

    The Fire You Carry Instagram.
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    Donate to The Fire Up Program.
    https://www.fireupprogram.com/donate

    The Fire Up Program Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/fireup_program/

    Kevin's Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/kevinpwelsh/?hl=en

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    29 mins
  • 270: The Trauma Backpack: Why "I’m Good" is a Lie with Capt. David Hoy
    Apr 27 2026

    Guest: Captain David Hoy (Edmonton Fire Rescue Services)

    How we handle the first 24 to 72 hours after a critical incident determines whether a call becomes a "memory" or a "trauma." In this episode, Nole and Kevin sit down with David Hoy, a 20-year fire captain and peer support specialist from the "Great White North" of Edmonton, Alberta.

    Dave breaks down the "Gold Standard" of reintegration, a program that has led to a 75% reduction in long-term mental health claims, and shares the five physiological pillars every first responder needs to regulate their nervous system after a bad shift.

    In This Episode, We Discuss:

    • The Reintegration Whiteboard: How Edmonton’s "Gold Standard" program uses a specific debriefing process to identify "hotspots" before they become injuries.
    • The Bio-Chemistry of Trauma: Why stimulants (caffeine/nicotine) and depressants (alcohol) during the 72-hour "encoding window" can permanently scar the brain’s storage of an event.
    • The Trauma Backpack: A powerful analogy for identifying which burdens are yours to carry and which boulders need to be left at the station.
    • "Dig Your Well Before You’re Thirsty": Practical advice on interviewing clinicians while you’re healthy to ensure you have a "tactical" baseline for when things go south.
    • Functional Disconnection vs. Reconnection: The biological necessity of shutting down emotions on a call, and the specific relational tools needed to turn them back on when you walk through your front door.
    • Sub-Zero Firefighting: What it’s like to fight fire at -30 and how to prevent getting literally frozen to your equipment.

    The 5 Pillars of Post-Call Regulation:

    If you’ve had a "bad night," Dave recommends hitting these five marks within 72 hours to restore homeostasis:

    1. Hydration: Flushing the "lactic acid of trauma" out of your system.
    2. Nutrition: Avoiding the "sugar-crash" cycle.
    3. Exercise: Utilizing cardiovascular work to process adrenaline.
    4. Sleep: The essential phase for brain restoration and memory filing.
    5. Physical Connection: Utilizing the release of oxytocin through intimacy to reset the nervous system.

    Big thank you to My Epic and Facedown Records for the use of their song "Hail" in our podcast!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz2RZThURTU&ab_channel=FacedownRecords

    Get signed up for the next trip with Hold the Line!

    https://www.fireupprogram.org/hold-the-line

    The Fire You Carry on YouTube.

    Sign up for a class at The Fire Up Program!
    https://www.fireupprogram.com/programs

    The Fire Up Progam video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__ErPW46Ec&t=12s&ab_channel=FireUpProgram

    The Fire You Carry Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/thefireyoucarry/

    Donate to The Fire Up Program.
    https://www.fireupprogram.com/donate

    The Fire Up Program Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/fireup_program/

    Kevin's Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/kevinpwelsh/?hl=en

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    2 hrs and 4 mins
  • 269: The Unwritten Rules of the Firehouse (feat. Taylor Morgan of Murrieta Fire)
    Apr 20 2026

    Becoming a "program guy" or a trusted member of a crew isn't just about your skill with a nozzle; it’s about how you handle the "game" of probation. This week, Nole and Kevin sit down with Taylor Morgan (Program Director for The Fire Up Program) to discuss the nuances of station culture that aren't taught in the academy. From the "laundry room dilemma" to handling the dreaded call to the Captain’s office, we explore how small actions build, or break, your reputation.

    In this episode, we cover:

    • Ownership over BS: Why "I don’t know, sir, but I’ll find out" is the most important sentence in a new firefighter's vocabulary.
    • The "Peanut Butter Spoon" Test: How menial station tasks are actually indicators of your reliability on a fire scene.
    • Social Intelligence: The dangers of oversharing and why your actions should always speak louder than your resume.
    • The "7-Foot Captain" Story: A lesson in why you should always have a tool in your hand (and which ones you shouldn't try to borrow).
    • Mentorship & The Fire Up Program: How Taylor uses the fire service model to help men grow in leadership and character.

    Big thank you to My Epic and Facedown Records for the use of their song "Hail" in our podcast!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz2RZThURTU&ab_channel=FacedownRecords

    Get signed up for the next trip with Hold the Line!

    https://www.fireupprogram.org/hold-the-line

    The Fire You Carry on YouTube.

    Sign up for a class at The Fire Up Program!
    https://www.fireupprogram.com/programs

    The Fire Up Progam video.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I__ErPW46Ec&t=12s&ab_channel=FireUpProgram

    The Fire You Carry Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/thefireyoucarry/

    Donate to The Fire Up Program.
    https://www.fireupprogram.com/donate

    The Fire Up Program Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/fireup_program/

    Kevin's Instagram.
    https://www.instagram.com/kevinpwelsh/?hl=en

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    1 hr and 6 mins
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