Most modern chocolate doesn’t end in a solid bar, and it is through the craft of Mexican chocolatier Luis Robledo—using chocolate couverture made from cacao beans produced by Hugo Francisco Chávez and his team at Agrofloresta Mesoamericana—that we can tell a different story. An unusual conversation between a chocolatier and a cacao producer, hailing from the same country, discusses the future of specialty confectionery, the hard work required to get things right throughout the supply chain, and offers an open invitation to explore Mexico sustainably through the senses.

Connect with our guests via LinkedIn: Luis Robledo https://www.linkedin.com/in/luis-robledo/

Learn more about Agrofloresta Mesoamericana here https://agroflorestamesoamericana.com/ or taste their work via SleepWlalk Chocolateria in the US (https://www.darkmattercoffee.com/collections/sleep-walk-chocolateria) or Sprügli in the EU and Switzerland (https://www.spruengli.ch/en/shop/chocolate-bars/grand-cru-selva-zoque-chocolate-80.html).

Taste the Mexico 66% by Republica del Cacao by placing an order here https://republicadelcacao.com/en/product/chocolate-negro-mexico-66/ or visiting Tout Chocolat in Mexico City https://www.toutchocolat.mx/ or Mayaguel in Houston, TX https://www.toutchocolat.mx/

Discussing education for chocolate professionals, Penn State Emeritus Professor Greg Ziegler and CacaoLab Executive Director Claudia Delbaere share lessons learned from teaching generations of students in established institutions, as well as the constraints that the ever-changing supply chain imposes on chocolate manufacturing and the mastery of confectionery formulation.

Learn more about educational opportunities at CacaoLab: https://www.cacaolab.be/

Sign up for the upcoming PSU Short Chocolate Course June 22-26, 2026: https://web.cvent.com/event/d930b4b6-9877-4b62-8bd4-df82b22bd1d9/summary

Connect with our guests via LinkedIn:

Claudia Delbaere https://www.linkedin.com/in/claudiadelbaere/

Greg Ziegler https://www.linkedin.com/in/grgryrzglr/

Cornell University Professor Alex M. Nading, a medical anthropologist, joins host Carla Martin to discuss the epidemic of chronic kidney disease of nontraditional causes (CKDnt) among Nicaragua's sugarcane plantation workers.

Find Dr. Nading's book via Duke University Press: https://www.dukeupress.edu/the-kidney-and-the-cane ; or in a library near you: https://search.worldcat.org/