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Strange Animals Podcast

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  • Episode 491: The Jumar

    Episode 491: The Jumar
    Jun 29 2026

    Further reading:

    http://messybeast.com/genetics/hybrid-equines.htm

    Show transcript:

    Welcome to Strange Animals Podcast. I’m your host, Kate Shaw.

    I stumbled across an interesting mystery animal recently and thought it would make a great topic for a Patreon episode. It’s supposed to be a hybrid animal, but as we’ll soon learn, it can’t possibly be what it’s said to be.

    The animal is called a jumar or jumart, or sometimes a kumrah. The oldest record of a jumar dates to 1546 but there are many other accounts up to the beginning of the 20th century. The jumar is supposed to be the hybrid offspring of a horse and a cow, usually a bull and a mare. Sometimes it was supposed to be the offspring of a bull and a donkey mare.

    Whatever its supposed origins, the jumar was said to look like a horse except for cow-like hindquarters and head, although with no horns. The hooves were usually solid like a horse’s hooves but occasionally cloven. A jumar was supposed to be stronger but smaller than an ordinary mule, which is a cross between a horse and a donkey.

    There are plenty of reports of jumars, including individuals examined by naturalists, so it’s obviously a real animal. Could it really be a horse-cow hybrid? How closely related are horses and cows, anyway?

    Not closely related AT ALL. The horse is almost as closely related to whales as it is to cows. They belong to totally different orders, and if you remember from the hybrids episode, it’s unusual for a hybrid to result from animals that share a genus, but extremely rare for animals that only share a family. Order is a step above family. There is literally no way that a horse and a cow could crossbreed successfully, but if somehow they did, the baby would not survive long enough to be born.

    So the jumar can’t be a horse-cow hybrid, but at the same time, the jumar was a real animal. So what was it?

    The first hint of a solution came from a French naturalist who lived in the 18th century. He wrote in 1771 about two dead jumars he bought and dissected. Both of them turned out to be ordinary mules. Specifically, they were hinnies, which are the offspring of a female donkey and a male horse. Most mules are offspring of a male donkey and a female horse.

    Part of the reason that the hinny is a less common hybrid is because of the differences in chromosomes between horses and donkeys. Horses have 64 chromosomes, donkeys have 62. Mules and hinnies have 63 and are almost always sterile. In the case of a pair of animals with mismatched chromosomes, a baby is more likely to result when the father has the lower chromosome count, as is the case with the male donkey. A male horse has more chromosomes than a female donkey, so it’s less likely that a baby will result. Hinnies are almost always smaller than horses or mules because the mother donkey is a smaller animal than the mother horse.

    Like any other animal, mules are sometimes born with genetic issues that may affect their appearance. One relatively common issue is a type of dwarfism that can affect certain bones in the body, which makes the animal’s conformation look different from an ordinary mule’s. A disorder called chondrodysplasia, which can have a number of different causes, results in the upper portion of the animal’s skull being underdeveloped. This means its face appears dished like a cow’s face, its upper jaw may be much shorter than its lower jaw, and its eye sockets and forehead may look more cow-like too.

    It’s most likely, then, that jumars are just horses, mules, or hinnies with a genetic abnormality. That would also explain why no one talks about jumars anymore. These days if a weird-looking foal is born, the owner calls the vet, who recognizes a genetic issue right away. In the olden days people didn’t know what caused genetic issues and assumed it had something to do with parentage. If a mare had a baby that looked a little bit like a cow in some ways, that must be because its father was a bull.

    If you remember the Patreon episode we had a long time ago about horses with extra hooves on one or more feet, it’s probable that this is the trait leading to reports of jumars with cloven hooves. We even have one account from 1830 by a veterinarian who examined a jumar who had three legs with ordinary horse hooves but one leg with a cloven hoof that looked like a cow’s.

    That’s pretty much it for the jumar, but a quick reminder as we finish talking about hybrid horses and donkeys, if you cross a zebra with a donkey, the resulting offspring has stripes and is called a zedonk, my favorite word.

    Thanks for your support, and thanks for listening!
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    6 mins
  • Episode 490: Ipnops and Other Deep-Sea Fish

    Episode 490: Ipnops and Other Deep-Sea Fish
    Jun 22 2026
    Further reading: Faceless Fish and the deep-sea voyages that found it Long-Lost ‘Faceless’ Fish Shows Up Near Australia Ipnops: The faceless cusk [photo taken from the second article linked above]: A tripod fish: Show transcript: Welcome to Strange Animals Podcast. I’m your host, Kate Shaw. It’s a fish episode! These are also deep-sea fish, and you know how much I love deep-sea animals. Let’s talk first about some fish in the family Ipnopidae, including one deep-sea fish with the pleasing name of Ipnops. We know of three species of ipnops so far, but there may be more that scientists just haven’t found yet. Some scientists think there’s actually only one species, since all three species look almost identical but just live in different parts of the deep sea. Ipnops is sometimes called the grideye spiderfish. If you don’t know what it looks like, you may think the word spider in its name is the weird part. It’s not, and in fact I’m not sure where that comes from. It could be that the fish’s transparent fins look kind of like spiderwebs. Other fish in its family are called spiderfish too but are also sometimes called lizardfish. It feels like someone was in a goofy mood when naming these fish and just started saying random animal names. Ipnops only grows a little over 6 inches long at most, or 16 cm. It’s slender for its size, although its head is wider than its body. Its head is black but the color fades on the body until the tail is light gray. No, the weird thing about ipnops is its eyes. It doesn’t precisely have eyes, certainly not eyeballs. Instead it just has a thin layer of retinal cells spread across a divot in the top of its head, also called a photosensitive membrane or plate. These plates show up as yellow against the black head. Researchers think the fish can’t see the way we think of seeing, but it can probably sense bioluminescent light. Since it lives at the bottom of the deep sea where little to no light penetrates from the surface, it makes sense that ipnops doesn’t really need eyes. We still don’t know very much about ipnops or most of its relatives. It eats small crustaceans and all individuals produce both eggs and sperm. Ipnops eggs hatch into tiny larval fish that live near the surface of the ocean and have extremely large ordinary eyeballs. How these eyeballs transform into a retinal membrane is a mystery known only to ipnops. The family that ipnops belongs to, Ipnopidae, includes many species that are called tripod fish, and tripod fish are very weird too even though they have regular eyeballs, usually tiny ones. There are quite a few tripodfish known, many of them only discovered recently by deep-sea rovers. Most are no larger than ipnops, but some have fins that are much longer than their body. This is the case for the tripod spiderfish—look, it’s another spiderfish—that lives at the bottom of the deep sea in many parts of the world. It’s been found at a depth of almost 3 miles, or 4,700 meters, which is so deep that it’s also sometimes called the abyssal spiderfish, although that’s also a name given to a different type of tripod fish that’s closely related. It’s big compared to many of its close relations, up to 17 inches long, or 43 cm, but its fins can grow over a yard long, or about a meter. Its tail and pelvic fins have elongated rays that allow it to stand on the bottom of the ocean, and since the bottom of the ocean is usually pretty oozy and muddy, it needs the fins to be really long so it doesn’t end up sinking into the ooze. It also has little pads on the end of the fins that help keep it from sinking. Scientists think the struts that lengthen the rays can be stiffened so that the fish can stand on them for long periods of time, but when the fish needs to swim, it can loosen the struts so they’re flexible. If you’re not familiar with the word tripod, it means ‘three feet’ or ‘three legs.’ You’ve probably seen one before because that’s the thing that people use to prop up a camera. A camera tripod has three long legs that you can adjust so that your camera sits at just the right height to take good pictures, and it’s sturdy so the camera won’t shake. This is exactly how the tripodfish uses its elongated fins except that it’s not taking pictures. It’s just trying to find food. It stands motionless facing into the current, and spreads its pectoral fins out. It can’t see in the darkness of its deep-sea home, but it feels small fish or crustaceans that come near and stumble into its fins. It uses the pectoral fins to guide the animal toward its mouth, and then it goes chomp with its needle-like teeth. Like ipnops, the tripodfish produces both eggs and sperm and can fertilize its own eggs if it can’t find a mate. This is important in the deep sea, especially when your main way of finding food is standing completely still for very long periods of time. Another weird fish isn’t related to the ...
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    9 mins
  • Episode 489: Animal Artists

    Episode 489: Animal Artists
    Jun 15 2026
    Further reading: https://elephantartgallery.com/blogs/meet Desmond Morris with his favorite Congo painting: Peter/Pierre Brassau and some of his paintings: The so-called donkey painting, and I described it wrong in the episode: Pockets at work: Show transcript: Welcome to Strange Animals Podcast. I’m your host, Kate Shaw. Back in the early days of the podcast I did an episode about animal musicians, which for a long time was my favorite episode. Today let’s visit a similar topic, animals who are visual artists. Back in the 1950s through the 60s, researchers studying how humans make art studied monkeys and apes who were taught how to use a brush and paints. The studies caught the public’s fancy and it became something of a fad to own a piece of art created by an animal—whether it was a monkey or ape, an elephant, or some other animal. One of the earliest big name animal artists was a chimpanzee named Congo. Zoologist Desmond Morris, who was studying creativity in apes and humans, and who was also an artist himself, offered Congo a pencil and paper when he was two years old in 1956. Congo enjoyed drawing and especially liked to draw circles. When Morris eventually gave the chimp paints, Congo was even more enthusiastic. But while he was considered a novelty, he only had one art exhibition while he was alive, a 1957 event arranged by Morris. It wasn’t until 2005 that the remaining paintings were exhibited, along with the art of some other apes, and some of them sold for thousands of dollars. A new exhibit appeared in December of 2019 in the Mayor Gallery in London. One interesting thing is that Morris worked with several apes to see how they drew and painted, but only Congo showed enthusiasm and skill for art. Congo died of tuberculosis in 1964 when he was only ten years old. Also in 1964, a French avant-garde artist named Pierre Brassau exhibited four of his paintings at an art show in Sweden. No one knew who Brassau was, but his paintings were critically acclaimed—except for one critic who wrote, “Only an ape could have done this.” Ahem, yes. That is correct. The artist turned out to be a West African chimpanzee named Peter who lived in a zoo in Sweden. The whole thing started with a Swedish journalist who apparently wasn’t much of a fan of modern art. The journalist persuaded a zookeeper to give Peter a canvas, paints, and brush. At first Peter just ate the paint, but eventually he started making marks on the canvas. The journalist ultimately chose four of the paintings and submitted them to the exhibition under the name Pierre Brassau. One of the paintings sold for the equivalent of about $750 today. But animal artists making modern art isn’t limited to the 1950s and 60s. In 1905 a painting by an unknown artist, J.R. Boronali, went on display in a Parisian salon. It didn’t cause any kind of stir, though, because it was nothing special, until 1910 when word got out that the painting had been made by a donkey. According to the story, an art critic tied a paintbrush to the donkey’s tail and fed the donkey carrots, which made it wag its tail, which dabbed paint on a canvas. I’ve seen the painting, though, and it seems clear that a human artist prepped the canvas by slapping a coat of background paint on it that resembles a red sea and blue sky. There are some dabs and blobs of paint over that in yellow and red, presumably from the donkey. In this case, of course, the donkey wasn’t trying to paint a picture and didn’t even know what was going on behind it, just that it was getting lots of carrots. An avant-garde Russian school of art named itself The Donkey’s Tail in 1912 as a result, though, so that’s pretty neat. More recently, a capuchin monkey named Pockets has become a big-name artist in the animal world. Pockets was donated to a Canadian animal sanctuary after his owner finally realized that capuchin monkeys are wild animals and don’t actually make very good pets. One of the volunteers at the sanctuary gave Pockets the nickname Warhol because of his white hair, which reminded her of the artist Andy Warhol. That gave her the idea to give Pockets some paints and see what he would do with them. It turns out that Pockets really likes to paint. In 2011 the sanctuary held an exhibit of his paintings to help raise money, and since then his paintings have been exhibited in art shows around the world. He’s collaborated with a human artist, who basically paints something and then gives the canvas to Pockets to add to it. His art recently appeared on the cover of an album released by a member of Depeche Mode too. Not all animal artists are apes or monkeys, though. Bini the Bunny stars in a lot of videos where he plays basketball, dances, plays the guitar, and does a lot of other things you would not expect a bunny to do. He also paints. Bini, of course, has been trained to make certain movements, including picking up a paintbrush in his mouth and moving it upward with ...
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    11 mins
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