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Refactoring Podcast

Refactoring Podcast

By: Luca Rossi
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Weekly interviews with world-class engineering leaders about writing great software and working well with humans.Luca Rossi Economics Management Management & Leadership
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  • How Todoist is Built ✅ — with Gonçalo Silva
    Jan 23 2026

    Today's guest is Gonçalo Silva, CTO of Doist, the company behind Todoist and Twist.


    This interview is an incredible behind the scenes about one of the most peculiar companies in tech.


    Because Doist is bootstrapped, profitable, has no office and has about 100 employees that are spread across about 40 countries. Yet, or maybe for this reason, they created one of the world's most beloved productivity tools, used by more than 25 million users and they're up against billion-dollar companies with hundreds of millions of funding.


    So how do they pull this off? Let's find out.


    (00:00) Preview

    (01:15) Introduction

    (04:26) What does Doist looks like?

    (06:48) The perfect number of people

    (09:44) Remote and async-first

    (15:59) Asynchronous threats

    (18:34) Todoist engineering teams

    (21:06) Continuity or chaos

    (28:18) A team for every platform

    (29:21) Product management

    (31:37) Product development process

    (34:03) Merging top-down strategies and bottom-up feedbacks

    (38:16) AI in product engineering

    (46:34) Team level AI practices


    You can also find this at:


    • 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm

    • 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw

    • 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305


    For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

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    52 mins
  • Career Sabbaticals and Self Discovery 🔍 — with Thiago Ghisi
    Jan 9 2026

    Today's guest is Thiago Ghisi!Thiago is former director of engineering at Nubank and with a long and successful tech career in companies like ThoughtWorks, Apple and more. But right now, he's on a sabbatical and he's been for more than six months.So get ready for an incredible chat where we talked about your identity as an engineering leader, psychology, Claude Code and more.(00:00) Preview(01:01) Introduction(03:25) Quitting the job(10:32) Planning during a sabbatical(14:03) Detaching from your work identity(20:31) Measuring progress(26:03) Finding yourself: Claude Code and second brain(33:34) The biggest revelations(45:22) Thiago's next chapter—You can also find this at:• 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm• 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw• 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305—For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

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    56 mins
  • The State of AI Adoption 📊 — with Matt McClernan
    Dec 5 2025

    Today's guest is Matt McClernan, CEO of Augment Code!


    With Matt, we went through the findings of our own research that we developed together with Augment, surveying more than 400 engineering teams about how they're using AI.


    And we went through many topics, from the differences between personal and team adoption, challenges, how documentation looks like a secret weapon, how to manage context in AI coding, and much more. And then we talked about the future, how the UX of AI coding is changing with IDEs, CLI tools and agents, and what the future might bring.


    (00:00) Preview

    (01:26) Introduction

    (02:16) Personal vs Team AI Adoption

    (09:25) The journey of AI adoption

    (13:06) The role of documentation

    (18:13) AI and Context: the Augment secret sauce

    (25:44) Helping AI with context

    (28:17) Quality control in AI coding

    (36:30) Companies and AI in the near future

    (45:54) The state of UX in writing code

    (51:54) The scope of Augment



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    You can also find this at:


    • 📬 Newsletter: https://refactoring.fm

    • 🎧 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7Luds9dmzZDoDC8Q7EMbSw

    • 📱 Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/refactoring-podcast/id1719137305


    For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, or appearing as a guest, email: luca@refactoring.club

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    56 mins
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