What if the voice in your head isn't who you really are?

In this fascinating conversation, Jeremy de Tolly sits down with Loch Kelly to explore effortless mindfulness, open awareness, and the profound shift from identifying with thoughts to recognizing the awareness that exists beyond them.

The conversation also explores communication anxiety, social anxiety, psychological parts, self-compassion, relationships, flow states, and what awakening to our true nature might mean for individuals and society as a whole.

Loch Kelly is the creator of the Mindful Glimpse app, an award-winning author, meditation teacher, licensed psychotherapist, and founder of the nonprofit Effortless Mindfulness Institute. His work brings together ancient wisdom traditions, neuroscience, and contemporary psychology to help people access what he calls “effortless mindfulness,” a more spacious, compassionate awareness that can relieve suffering at its root. www.lochkelly.org

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What effortless mindfulness actually is
Why you're not your thoughts
The difference between concentration and awareness
How to access open awareness in everyday life
Understanding social anxiety through mindfulness
The role of self-compassion and parts work
Bringing awareness into communication and relationships
Flow states, self-transcendence, and true presence
A vision for a more conscious and connected society

If you’d like to explore Jeremy’s work further:

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00:00 Introduction to Mindfulness and Effortless Mindfulness

04:57 The Journey of Consciousness: From Instinct to Identity

10:13 The Challenges of Effortful Mindfulness

15:00 The Shift from Concentration to Awareness

19:46 Exploring Non-Dual Awareness

25:08 The Direct Path: Glimpses of Effortless Awareness

39:24 Awareness and Consciousness Exploration

43:03 The Shift from Self to Self-Transcendence

48:33 Navigating Social Anxiety and Internal Parts

52:24 Bringing Awareness into Relationships and Communication

58:20 Understanding the Nature of Identity and Flow

01:03:53 The Process of Living in Awareness

01:13:32 The Vision for Collective Human Awakening

Jeremy de Tolly speaks with Dr. Shannon Coates about vocal pedagogy, trauma-informed voice teaching, neurodiversity, and the future of inclusive singing education. Together they explore healthy singing, cultural bias in traditional training, and how voice teaching can become more empowering, student-led, and human-centered.

You will learn:

• What vocal pedagogy actually is — and why it’s more than anatomy and technique

• The difference between prescriptive teaching and student-led learning

• How trauma-informed and neurodiversity-affirming approaches are changing voice education

• Why “healthy singing” is often shaped by cultural and historical bias

• The hidden influence of colonialism and elitism in traditional vocal training

• How collective singing can support emotional regulation and healing

• Why agency and nervous system safety matter in voice lessons

• The importance of inclusive teaching for children and developing voices

• How modern voice teachers can create safer, more empowering learning spaces

• Why singing is deeply connected to identity, expression, and human connection

Sign up for Shannon’s voiceped 101 course below:

https://drshannoncoates.com/the-voiceped-101-library/

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If you’d like to explore this work further:

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00:00 Introduction to student-led pedagogy
02:17 Defining vocal pedagogy and its historical context
05:02 Differentiating anatomy and physiology from pedagogy
09:30 Moving away from a prescriptive, competitive approach
12:23 Historical roots of Western classical singing
15:14 Systematization of voice training in academia
20:21 Systemic issues in traditional vocal education
25:38 Myths about "healthy" singing and cultural biases
30:44 The colonial perceptions of belting
34:44 Deconstructing systemic and racial biases
44:36 Community-based and inclusive models
46:40 Neurodiversity affirming approaches
58:45 Teaching children and developmental readiness
1:06:23 Reframing the narrative around children's singing
1:11:56 The power of Choral singing
1:13:23 Starting somewhere as a teacher
1:17:59 Final thoughts

Why does your voice shut down when it matters most?

The answer isn’t confidence - it’s a whole-system issue, starting in your nervous system.

In this episode, voice coach and actor Mattie Shisko explores the powerful link between the nervous system and authentic expression.

We dive into vocal liberation, practical tools to regulate your body and voice, and why safety (not confidence) is the foundation of being heard. Mattie also shares insights from working with politicians and leaders under pressure, revealing what it really takes to sound grounded, clear, and human when it matters most.

Expect practical exercises, fresh perspectives on vocal confidence, and a deeper understanding of how your voice impacts both you and those around you.

To find out more about polyvagal theory and Mattie’s course:

https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/

https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/whatispolyvagaltheory

https://www.polyvagalinstitute.org/vagusnerve

https://learning.polyvagal.org/courses

You will learn:

Why your voice is shaped by your nervous system

How safety (not confidence) is the foundation of authentic expression

Simple practices to regulate your voice and body

Insights from coaching leaders and politicians under pressure

How your voice impacts connection and how others experience you

The role of play in unlocking a more natural, expressive voice

If you’d like to explore this work further:

→ Free resources and guides

https://www.jeremydetolly.com/resources

→ Private coaching with Jeremy

Personalized support to help you move through vocal anxiety and speak with clarity and confidence.

https://www.jeremydetolly.com/coaching

Stay connected

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00:00 The Power of Voice and Safety

02:49 Liberation Through Voice

05:55 Navigating Political Communication

09:03 The Role of Nervous System Regulation

11:56 Aligning Voice with Intention

14:53 The Importance of Play in Vocal Expression

18:10 Creating Safe Spaces for Expression

20:21 The Impact of Voice on Connection

23:53 Flexibility and Agility in Communication

26:10 The Challenge of Corporate Culture

30:06 The Journey of Self-Discovery Through Voice