Brian Gilroy runs Wildlife Partners, the largest exotic animal breeding operation in North America and a Cape buffalo herd that didn't exist in private hands a decade ago. He's also hunted Dall sheep in remote Alaska, muskox on Nunivak Island, and elk in New Mexico. This episode is a reality check on how the hunting industry actually works and why the free-range vs. high-fence moral war is mostly mythology from Brian's perspective.

Texas is now on South Africa's radar as a direct competitor. Same animals, same large high-fence model, no 13-hour flight, five-star lodges, and populations of kudu, Cape buffalo, sable, and ibex growing every year. Brian explains the economics of exotic breeding as a tax strategy (why a self-reproducing kudu cow beats a tractor), why CWD has made native cervid breeding almost impossible, why put-and-take hunting is a dead model, and what a Wyoming or New Mexico application really costs over a lifetime. The episode closes with Brian's Alaska sheep story... the outfitter who knew every animal, flew him to the sheep, and pointed him at it. The honest question: why is that different from hunting 15,000 acres in Texas?

Texas vs. South Africa — why SA should be genuinely worried
Cape buffalo in Texas
Kudu, sable, red deer: population growth and what hunts will cost in five years
Why CWD killed native cervid breeding and exotics filled the gap
Exotic breeding as a business — 100% depreciation on an animal that reproduces itself
The real cost of a sheep draw, a BC Dall sheep, or a New Mexico application
The Alaska sheep story and why free range is less pure than most hunters believe

Guest: Brian Gilroy — CEO, Wildlife Partners. Exotic breeder and hunter. Boerne, TX. wildlifepartners.com

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A 36-season Colorado wilderness outfitter, Scott Limmer, doesn't sugarcoat it: the new 50%-random draw is about to blow up point inflation and gut the predictability that made Colorado elk hunting plannable. We get into that, the big-bull reality most hunters won't admit, and a stack of Africa stories you won't hear anywhere else.

In this episode:
Why the 2028 draw overhaul tripled the exact point inflation it was meant to fix
The hard truth about how giant public-land bulls actually get killed
Glassing a burn, calling pressure, and why elk go nocturnal
Getting ambushed by the LRA on a bongo hunt in the Central African Republic
How Gaddafi's loose weapons fueled Africa's elephant-poaching wave
The wolf "crap show" and where Colorado's right-to-hunt fight stands

Scott Limmer - https://www.instagram.com/elimminator/
Scott's Outfitting Business - https://comanchewildernessoutfitters.com/

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AG makes the most expensive and strongest flip-flops on earth. Sounds insane, but I like his business. This is a conversation about authentic materials, the economics of making something real, why almost everything in your life is fake, and what happens when an environmental group comes after you with a campaign.

AG is the founder of Toehold, a Las Vegas-based company that sources elephant, hippo, crocodile, shark, and zebra hides — old-world vegetable-tanned leather, made in America, by hand. We get into the murder hides specifically: a bull elephant called the Red Ghost, a man-eating croc, and hippos that have trampled people. From there the conversation expands into why real leather smells the way it does, why your car seat isn't what you think it is.

We finish the conversation with a discussion about spearfishing and freediving.

Guest: AG Gregoroff — Founder/CEO of Toehold.

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