The shift to generative AI has exposed the gaps between data and AI governance policy and real world uses and impacts of generative AI.

Jason Tamara Widjaja can see the disconnects first hand from his perch leading the AI research and AI governance team as Executive Director of AI at MSD - the global biopharma company some in the US and Canada know better by the name Merck & Co.

In this talk recorded in August 2025 Tamara Widjaja discusses the reasons why generative AI created new needs for assistance from AI Verify on AI governance tooling and services, about the challenges of scaling AI testing and selecting appropriate metrics, the importance of inspecting a full system in which AI models interact rather than just standalone models, and the potential lack of access to models and systems used in the highest risk scenarios.

The Privacy on the Ground intro theme features music by Pangal. Episode music is by Surly Gates.

Featured in this episode:
-Jason Tamara Widjaja, Executive Director of AI at MSD (a.k.a. Merck and Co.)
-Kate Kaye, Deputy Director of World Privacy Forum

April Chin is co-CEO of AI assessment company Resaro, one of a small group of invite-only "premier" members of Singapore's AI governance program, AI Verify. In this second episode in Privacy on the Ground's series about AI Verify, Chin discusses the evolution of AI Verify, the methods and approaches it has developed and piloted, recent initiatives such as its generative AI-focused global AI Assurance Pilot, and the obstacles that external auditors like Resaro might face when it comes to accessing important components of AI systems needed for meaningful assessment. The interview was recorded in November 2025.

The Privacy on the Ground intro theme features music by Pangal. Episode music is by Zefyr.

Featured in this episode:
-April Chin, Co-CEO of Resaro
-Kate Kaye, Deputy Director of World Privacy Forum

Some might consider AI Verify's "building the plane as it flies" approach to AI governance to be rushed or risky; some might question the organization's deep collaboration with industry. But no matter what, it's hard to argue that Singapore's AI Verify project -- and its unique policy sandbox style model -- is influential and offers a real-world example of AI governance that is willing to test and iterate much in the same way that the tech industry itself does. In this first episode of our three-part series on Singapore's AI Verify, listeners will learn about the history and evolution of AI Verify and its key projects, and get a glimpse from insiders into one of its most recent efforts aimed at assessing generative AI applications.

The Privacy on the Ground intro theme features music by Pangal. Episode music is by Gianpaolo Rinaldi.

Featured in this episode:

• April Chin, Co-CEO of Resaro
• Jason Tamara Widjaja, Executive Director of AI at MSD
• Kate Kaye, Deputy Director of World Privacy Forum