In this heartfelt conversation, Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel talk about what it truly looks like to try to live holy when life, background, circumstances, and growth are still in progress. They explore the reality that everyone’s effort does not come wrapped in perfection, polish, or “church culture,” yet God honors the sincere heart that is pressing toward Him. This episode challenges the church to create space for imperfect effort, compassion, and grace so people can grow without feeling shamed or disqualified.

What We Talk About:

• Why “trying” doesn’t always look church-ready or put together
• The danger of judging someone’s effort by outward appearance
• Remembering that what is small to us may feel enormous for someone else
• Allowing people room to mature without crushing their effort
• How God looks at the heart, while people often only see presentation
• Encouraging believers to keep trying, even when it feels imperfect

In this episode, Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel dig into the importance of spiritual mentorship, discipleship, and guidance in the church. They discuss why emerging ministers, leaders, and believers need strong spiritual covering, intentional coaching, and real-life modeling rather than simply observation. Together, they explore the difference between preaching and being developed, calling and preparation, and how healthy mentorship protects the church, strengthens faith, and nurtures authentic growth in Christ.

What We Talk About:

• The role of pastors in mentoring and developing younger ministers
• Why observation alone is not enough for spiritual formation
• The difference between gifting, calling, and preparation
• How mentorship prevents unhealthy imitation and spiritual confusion
• Discipleship beyond the pulpit...Why every believer needs guidance
• Why mentoring strengthens both the church and the individual

In this powerful discussion, Pastor Stephanie and Dr. Erica Jewel explore the difference between being active in church and actually being transformed, highlighting how emotions, involvement, and image cannot replace true relationship with Christ, obedience, surrender, and real spiritual change.

What We Talk About:

• How routine church culture can create “religious performance”
• Why emotions, church involvement, and good deeds are not the same as relationship
• The power of teaching churches that lead people into real change
• What true transformation looks like versus outward religious behavior
• The difference between having a “form of godliness” and walking in God’s power
• Why seeking God personally matters more than looking spiritual publicly