Was Alexander Hamilton the real architect of American capitalism — or just the most self-destructive genius in the room? What does it mean that the man who shaped the nation's finances spent his career surrounded by an economy built on enslaved labour he understood firsthand? And, if the founding fathers were so brilliant, why is America still fighting about what they actually built?

Peter and Afua peel back the marble on two of the most mythologised men in history: Hamilton, the penniless Caribbean immigrant who survived a hurricane, built the American financial machine, and then blew up his own career with a 95-page confession; and Washington, the slave-owning Virginia planter who became the face of liberty — and knew exactly when to put the power down.

0:00 Hamilton, Washington, and the show that won't let the founders off the hook

1:48 The Caribbean origins of Alexander Hamilton — and what Nevis reveals about colonial violence

5:30 How working at the epicentre of the Atlantic slave economy shaped Hamilton's political thinking

9:10 The outsider who doubled down: Hamilton's ambition, his tongue, and why people feared him

11:36 The Reynolds affair — confessing adultery to defeat a corruption charge

15:50 What Hamilton brought to the revolution that none of the others could

20:10 George Washington: the Virginia planter who had to learn how to be a gentleman

24:00 How marrying Martha Custis transformed Washington's wealth and status overnight

26:40 The land grab Britain tried to block — and why it radicalized Washington

30:30 The fragile coalition: Franklin's joke, the hanging rope, and what really held them together

35:00 Washington's genius was knowing what not to do — and when to walk away

38:40 The American dream was built on free labour — and the dishonesty that disguised it

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Who was the boring lawyer who quietly built the machine that made America work? Was John Adams so relentlessly right that even his allies couldn't stand him? And, how did the man who wrote the most beautiful words on human equality spend decades owning the woman who bore his children?

Peter and Afua tear into the contradictions of 1776 — the forgotten architect, the honest man nobody liked, and the wordsmith whose legacy history has never quite known what to do with.

0:00 The original Brexit: what 1776 really was

6:00 John Jay — the unsung hero who built the legal framework of a nation

11:00 The Federalist Papers and the Roman Republic obsession

14:00 Jay's reluctant revolution: the man who wanted reconciliation

16:00 Enter Thomas Jefferson: plantation privilege and the Declaration of Independence

18:30 Jefferson at his desk — and the enslaved people outside the window

21:00 Martha, Sally Hemings, and the relationship history tried to bury

25:00 John Adams: the honest man too competent for his own good

31:00 Rome's collapse, checks and balances, and why they feared what they were building

36:00 Jefferson gave the revolution its language, Jay its structure, Adams its urgency

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What turned America's most famous British loyalist into its most dangerous revolutionary? What does a public humiliation in a Whitehall chamber have to do with the Declaration of Independence? And, if the man who designed the American constitution believed men were angels, would he have bothered?

Peter and Afua trace how a candle-maker's son who pulled lightning from the sky and a sickly scholar obsessed with the fall of Rome built the architecture of the most powerful republic in history.

0:00 Franklin: the 18th century's global multimedia superstar

6:10 Poor Richard's Almanac and the art of building a platform from scratch

9:45 From kite and key to the Royal Society — Franklin's lightning moment

13:20 A proud Briton in London: the comfortable life that couldn't last

16:00 The Hutchinson letters, a Whitehall ambush, and an hour of public savaging

18:30 The moment Franklin stopped thinking of himself as British

21:00 Enter James Madison: the smallest man in public life and the biggest thinker

24:30 Two thousand years of history as a laboratory of political failure

28:00 Taxation without representation, the Intolerable Acts, and the radicalisation of Madison

31:30 'If men were angels, no government would be necessary'

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