Content Warning: This episode discusses grief, loss, suicide, and bipolar disorder.

As a kid, Marisa Renee Lee, author of the best-selling books, Grief is Love: Living with Loss and Waiting for Dawn: Living with Uncertainty, sat in the front row in class. She was driven to achieve, got straight A’s, and worked hard. Then Marisa’s mom got sick with multiple sclerosis and that, combined with her sister’s bipolar disorder, meant taking on the very stressful role of caregiver at age 13. She ended up at Harvard, traveling between campus and the family home in upstate New York to provide care. After her mom died, when Marisa was 26, she experienced the full weight of grief and carried that with her through work on Wall Street and as an adviser to President Obama. Later, Marisa and her husband had a long struggle with fertility and Marisa contracted long covid, which she still must manage today. Mere determination can’t fix these situations and denial, of course, is no help either. Marisa explains the lessons of grief and uncertainty and of giving yourself grace and patience.

Content Warning: This episode discusses suicide, depression, and substance use disorder.

Behind the scenes at In This Family, is our program’s producer, John Moe. Outside of the show, John hosts his own mental health podcast, Depresh Mode with John Moe, and is the author of the best-selling memoir, The Hilarious World of Depression. John shares his earliest experiences with major depressive disorder, years before he understood that this condition was actually very common and had a name. Mental health wasn’t talked about much in the culture in general when John was growing up or in his household in particular, where John connects his late father’s substance use disorder with alcohol to a traumatic childhood, spent under Nazi occupation in Norway. John also talks about the still echoing effects of his older brother’s death by suicide and the approach he takes to the subject of mental health with his own children.

Content Warning: This episode discusses racism, depression, and sexual abuse.

At a young age, author Maud Newton was warned by her grandmother about the mental illness that ran through her family history. She was also told wild stories: an ancestor tried for being a witch, a Marxist in 1900s Texas, a grandfather married 13 times. The stories she uncovered in her best-selling book Ancestor Trouble shed some light on those tales and revealed plenty of complexity and surprises. Meanwhile, Maud has had to deal with her own mental health problems as well as issues among the living: a virulently racist and authoritarian father, a stepfather who molested her, and a mother who persistently looked the other way. She has found a loving and supportive family later in life with a loving husband, his extended family, and a step-sister and step-daughter to whom she is extremely close. It’s a testimony to the power of looking for answers, understanding your roots, and knowing yourself.