An episode from 7/6/26: For the past year or so, I’ve been putting out another podcast with the artist and educator Tom Hart over at his Substack, Men, an Explanation. You can find all the episodes we’ve done at Apple or Spotify where we talk about all kinds of things, but mostly creativity and how to be decent in the weird world of 2026. Today, I wanted to share one of those episodes with you, where Tom and I talk about baseball.

It begins with Tom dealing with a bout of insomnia by listening to a podcast of fake AM baseball broadcasts, Northwoods Baseball Sleep Radio; it ends up with the two of us talking about what baseball has meant to us and its connections to creativity and even religion, mysticism, and history.

I end the episode by reading from Mac Davis’s Baseball’s Unforgettables, a book published in 1966 that first belonged to my dad and much later became hugely important in my childhood. I also mention the HBO documentary When it Was a Game, which everybody should check out. If anyone is wondering how I ended up obsessed with history, religion, and meaning, Davis's book and the documentary are good places to start. Both showed me, at a young age, how history so easily becomes folklore and myth and how, in the best ways, individual and shared memory can become layered in the best kind of sentimentality.

Thanks to Tom for letting me repost the entire episode here. I hope listeners to Human Voices Wake Us will go check out the other episodes Tom and I have done.

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