A counterterror mindset has crept into everyday American enforcement, and the cost is now visible on city streets. We sit down with Responsible Statecraft’s Connor Eccles to trace how ICE moved from civil immigration work to a posture that looks and acts like domestic counterterrorism—fueled by years of U.S.–Israel security ties, training exchanges, and technology transfers. From Cellebrite-driven device exploitation to NGO-led law enforcement delegations, we connect the dots on how tactics honed in the West Bank filtered into U.S. policing, lowering profiling thresholds and normalizing aggressive arrests that turn protests into “battlespace.”

Minneapolis becomes the case study: a rapidly expanded force, inconsistent training, and a selection pipeline that rewarded the most gung-ho volunteers. Reports of on-duty misconduct collide with a leadership narrative that brands immigrants and even their defenders as “terrorists,” granting officers emotional permission to escalate. We explore why language matters, how legal labels like FTO designations shape behavior on the ground, and what happens when bureaucratic incentives and borrowed doctrine redefine entire communities as potential threats.

Then we pivot to the Middle East, where a swift U.S. buildup around Iran raises the specter of preemptive self-defense. We examine the strategic logic, the UN Charter, and the Constitution, and ask whether positioning troops inside missile range can ever justify a first strike. With carriers, air defenses, and proxy flashpoints in play, the risk of miscalculation is high. Yet there’s a practical off-ramp: reduce the footprint that keeps creating tripwires and political temptations to strike first. If you care about civil liberties, international law, and avoiding another unwinnable conflict, this conversation offers a clear map of how we got here—and what it would take to step back.

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• 0:00 Guest Intro And Topic Setup
• 3:55 Mapping ICE–Israel Security Ties
• 9:30 Training, Tech Transfers, And NGOs
• 15:45 Tactics From West Bank To U.S. Streets
• 20:00 Minneapolis Shootings And Force Discipline
• 24:45 Mission Creep And “Undisciplined Militia”
• 30:20 Terror Labels, Profiling, And Public Risk