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  • David Shipley: Investigating The Darkest Corners Of Digital Evidence

    David Shipley: Investigating The Darkest Corners Of Digital Evidence
    Jun 25 2026

    David Shipley, Instructor at Anglia Ruskin University, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about the human cost of online safeguarding work and his fight to close a gap in UK law. Drawing on 16 years investigating abusive imagery and online child sexual offending, David reflects on what the work actually involves — from the scale of the problem and the relentless build-up of warrants and digital forensic backlogs, to the difficult triage decisions investigators must make when no team can examine every device. He's candid about what "safeguarding" really means in practice, and about the mental toll the role takes on the people who do it.

    The conversation then turns to David's final year in policing, when his work on the David Fuller case led him to discover that much of the sexual abuse of corpses he was cataloguing was not actually illegal. David explains how he took that discovery from a Ministry of Justice rejection through a lost bill and a change of government to eventual Royal Assent — a four-year campaign that introduced a new offence and raised the maximum sentence for sexual penetration of a corpse from two to seven years. He closes with frank advice for the next generation of investigators on protecting their own well-being and holding onto an investigative mindset.

    #OnlineSafeguarding #InvestigatorWellbeing #LawReform #Policing #MentalHealth #DigitalForensics #DFIR

    00:00 Introducing David Shipley

    01:20 An Unusual Route Into Safeguarding

    03:23 The Scale Of The Problem

    06:55 Warrants, Workload And Backlogs

    08:40 Triage: You Can't Examine Everything

    11:52 What Safeguarding Really Means

    14:46 The Hidden Mental Toll

    18:21 How Welfare Support Evolved

    22:27 Questionnaires And Team Culture

    24:58 The Session That Changed My Mind

    26:15 The David Fuller Case

    29:27 Retiring, Then Returning To Finish The Job

    31:51 Continuity And Limiting Exposure

    33:50 Discovering The Gap In The Law

    36:38 Shock, Duty And Dignity In Death

    38:24 Launching The Campaign

    41:11 The Ministry Of Justice Says No

    44:05 Setbacks, A Lost Bill And A Second Chance

    47:00 Royal Assent And Mixed Emotions

    50:31 What The New Law Actually Changes

    55:32 Advice For The Next Generation

    58:08 Closing Reflections

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    59 mins
  • Leica's Marcus Rowe On Investigating The World's Largest Crash Test, Plus What To Expect At FEE 2026

    Leica's Marcus Rowe On Investigating The World's Largest Crash Test, Plus What To Expect At FEE 2026
    Jun 5 2026

    Marcus Rowe, Business Director – Public Safety & Forensics at Leica Geosystems, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about 3D laser scanning, forensic digital twins, and the role of LiDAR in modern crime and collision investigation. Marcus shares his path from military and civilian policing — including a career in forensic collision investigation with Devon & Cornwall Police — into industry, and explains how Leica Geosystems (part of Hexagon) is empowering investigators with tools that capture entire scenes for analysis, courtroom presentation, and cold case review.

    Marcus and Si also discuss the upcoming Forensics Europe Expo at Olympia on 1–2 July, which is set to bring together senior leaders, practitioners and solution providers from across the forensic community. To learn more and secure a free visitor pass, visit: https://www.forensicseuropeexpo.com.

    The conversation also turns to Marcus's involvement in the world's largest crash test, featured in the Channel 4 documentary Pile Up. Working blind to the staged scenario, Marcus reconstructed the multi-vehicle collision from post-event scene capture and 3D modelling — at times surfacing detail that the 90 cameras filming the event had missed.

    #LiDAR #3DScanning #CrashInvestigation #ForensicDigitalTwins #LeicaGeosystems #DigitalForensics #DFIR

    ⏱️ Timestamps

    00:00 Welcome Marcus Rowe

    02:44 From Policing to Leica Geosystems

    05:35 Leica Conference Highlights

    08:43 Forensic Digital Twins Talk

    17:55 What to Expect at FEE

    22:29 Students and Career Pathways

    26:08 World's Largest Crash Test

    31:07 LiDAR Explained Simply

    34:36 Courtroom Storytelling in 3D

    36:02 Real Cases and Proof Standards

    38:40 TV Production

    41:20 Micron Accuracy Use Cases

    42:25 Footprints Without Contact

    46:56 From Microns to Kilometers

    50:35 VR for Juries and Trust

    52:04 Holistic Capture Beats Bias

    56:02 FEE Event Invitation

    01:00:36 Wrap Up

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    📝 Show Notes

    Leica Geosystems – https://leica-geosystems.com

    Hexagon – https://hexagon.com

    Leica DISTO – https://shop.leica-geosystems.com/disto

    Forensics Europe Expo (FEE) – https://www.forensicseuropeexpo.com

    Channel 4 "Pile Up" documentary – https://www.channel4.com/programmes/pile-up-worlds-biggest-crash-test

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    1 hr and 2 mins
  • Burnout, PTSD, Suicidal Thoughts – The DFIR Well-Being Study Results Are In

    Burnout, PTSD, Suicidal Thoughts – The DFIR Well-Being Study Results Are In
    May 28 2026

    Phil Anderson, Senior Lecturer at Northumbria University, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about the Forensic Focus International Well-Being Study. Phil and host Paul Gullon-Scott unpack the findings from a survey of 179 digital forensic investigators across the UK, US, Australia, Canada, Germany, South Africa, India, and beyond. The study used validated psychometric instruments to put hard numbers behind what the profession has been hearing anecdotally for years.

    Paul and Phil dig into the emerging impact of AI-generated CSAM, where 60% of respondents reported finding it slightly more distressing than real material — and where victim identification is beginning to break down as the realism of generated imagery improves. They also examine the most clinically significant finding in the study: 20% of digital forensic investigators reported active suicidal or self-harm ideation at a clinically significant frequency, roughly four times the general population rate. Set against 61% of respondents lacking access to good-quality support services, alongside hypervigilance, sleep disturbance, retention risk, and physical health symptoms, the picture is one Forensic Focus is taking directly to the UK Home Office.

    #DigitalForensics #DFIR #MentalHealth #InvestigatorWellbeing #CSAM #AIGeneratedCSAM #LawEnforcement

    00:00 Welcome and Study Intro

    00:38 Meet Phil and Motivation

    03:23 Survey Scope and Global Reach

    07:53 Who Responded and Why It Matters

    09:38 Methodology and Validated Measures

    11:38 Workload Pressures and AI Factor

    15:21 Top Stressors and Management Levers

    20:29 Burnout Risk and Retention Crisis

    25:56 AI Generated CSAM Findings

    31:36 AI Victim Misidentification

    32:42 Investigator Stress Burden

    33:27 Tech Outpacing Regulation

    36:28 PTSD Symptom Findings

    38:06 Judgment Under Trauma

    40:14 Suicidal Ideation Data

    45:16 Support Services Crisis

    46:42 Physical Health Impacts

    50:03 Report Next Steps

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    🎧 Video/Transcript: https://www.forensicfocus.com/podcast/burnout-ptsd-suicidal-thoughts-the-dfir-well-being-study-results-are-in/

    📝 Show Notes

    Northumbria University – https://www.northumbria.ac.uk

    Paul Gullon-Scott on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-g-0090605/

    Phil Anderson on LinkedIn – https://www.linkedin.com/in/philip-anderson-a555377/

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    56 mins
  • On-Scene Digital Forensics: Winning Investigations Before The Lab

    On-Scene Digital Forensics: Winning Investigations Before The Lab
    May 19 2026

    Stuart Hutchinson, VP of Sales at ADF Solutions, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about on-scene digital forensics and empowering first responders during the golden hour. Stuart shares his journey from 23 years with the Met Police — including a chance encounter in a New Scotland Yard lift that led him into Mac forensics and the vendor space at BlackBag, Cellebrite, Oxygen, and now ADF. With 99.9% of investigations involving a digital element, he argues that mishandling digital evidence at the scene is as damaging as trampling through traditional forensic evidence.

    The conversation covers ADF's preview mode and search profile methodology, which gives first responders advanced logical acquisitions in minutes rather than 45+ minutes for a full extraction. Stuart explains how one UK force cut lab submissions by over 40% using an intelligence-led CAID hash triage strategy, and the team discuss locked-down search profiles built at DFU level, managing collateral intrusion, building trust with victims and witnesses, and ADF's screen capture and OCR for Chromebooks, PlayStations, Xboxes, and anything with HDMI out.

    #ADFSolutions #OnSceneTriage #MobileForensics #CAID #CSAM #FirstResponders #DigitalForensics #DFIR

    00:00 Introducing Stuart Hutchinson and ADF Solutions

    02:13 From Met to Mac Forensics

    07:26 Why On Scene Triage

    08:01 Golden Hour Decisions

    13:24 What to Triage First

    16:26 ADF Field Kit Overview

    18:04 Preview Mode Workflow

    22:34 Search Profiles and Staging

    26:38 Investigator Over Automation

    28:11 Impact and CSAM Hashing

    29:34 CAID Hash Triage Strategy

    32:45 Efficiency Versus Thoroughness

    35:07 Locked Search Profiles

    37:20 Training For Limitations

    42:46 Device Security Pressures

    44:45 From Triage To Full Forensics

    47:44 Victim Witness Phone Trust

    52:27 Screen Capture And OCR

    57:49 Wrap Up And Resources

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    📝 Show Notes

    ADF Solutions – https://adfsolutions.com/

    ADF Weekly Training Sessions – https://adfsolutions.com/weekly-training-sessions/

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  • How Distressing Material Shapes Investigator Well-Being

    How Distressing Material Shapes Investigator Well-Being
    May 14 2026
    Dr. Fazeelat Duran, Assistant Professor in Psychology at the University of Birmingham, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about the psychological impact of working with distressing material in law enforcement roles. Drawing on her recent longitudinal study — the first of its kind to follow newly recruited secondary investigators and analysts from day one through 18 months in role — Dr. Duran explains how repeated, indirect exposure to traumatic material shapes mental health over time. She walks through the trajectory her team observed at six, 12, and 18 months, the concept of "dosage of exposure," and why early warning signs often go hidden in the first six months when the novelty effect masks the emotional toll to come. The conversation then turns to coping strategies, the difference between adaptive and maladaptive responses (including the trap of thought suppression), and the idea of a psychological contract between staff and the organisation — and what happens when that contract is breached through unmanageable workloads, limited staffing, and a lack of allocated time for well-being resources. Dr. Duran and host Paul also discuss what organisations should be doing differently, why a one-size-fits-all approach to support fails this group, and the next phase of Dr. Duran's work, including brain imaging findings and a new study on neurodivergence in this workforce. #SecondaryTraumaticStress #MentalHealth #LawEnforcement #Wellbeing #PsychologicalContract #DigitalForensics #DFIR 00:00 Introducing Dr Fazeelat Duran 02:09 Secondary Trauma Explained 03:42 Research Gap and Longitudinal Study Design 11:17 Early Warning Signs 12:51 Proactive Tailored Support 18:02 Mixed Methods Evidence 19:49 Dosage of Exposure 22:59 Daily Volume and Attrition 25:16 Coping Shifts Over Time 26:45 Maladaptive Coping Patterns 29:05 Isolation and Social Strain 30:34 Workload and AI Pressure 33:08 Psychological Contract Breach 35:23 Building a Caring Culture 37:25 Early Support and Preparation 40:27 Signs, Symptoms and Self Care 42:30 Neurodivergence Research 44:51 Closing Reflections 👉 Visit Forensic Focus: https://www.forensicfocus.com 🎧 Video/Transcript: https://www.forensicfocus.com/podcast/how-distressing-material-shapes-investigator-well-being/ 📝 Show Notes Ongoing Exposure to Distressing Material is Associated with Worsening Mental Health in UK Law Enforcement Staff: a Longitudinal Interview Study – https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11896-026-09809-2 Dr Fazeelat Duran, University of Birmingham – https://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/psychology/duran-fazeelat National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC) Academic Centres of Excellence – https://news.npcc.police.uk/releases/npcc-creating-nine-policing-academic-centres-of-excellence-p-aces 👉 Follow Forensic Focus RSS | https://www.forensicfocus.com/feed YouTube | https://youtube.com/@ForensicFocus Podcast | https://forensicfocus.com/podcast LinkedIn Page | https://linkedin.com/company/forensicfocus LinkedIn Group | https://linkedin.com/groups/693917 X (Twitter) | https://x.com/ForensicFocus Facebook | https://facebook.com/forensicfocus Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/forensicfocus.bsky.social Instagram | https://instagram.com/forensicfocus TikTok | https://tiktok.com/@forensicfocus Mastodon | https://dfir.social/@forensicfocus
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    48 mins
  • DFIR In 2026 – AI 'Button Pusher' Forensics, Writing Courtroom Reports, Audio Breakthroughs And The Leica Geosystems Conference

    DFIR In 2026 – AI 'Button Pusher' Forensics, Writing Courtroom Reports, Audio Breakthroughs And The Leica Geosystems Conference
    May 7 2026
    Si and Desi discuss a range of digital forensics topics, from writing forensic reports that juries can actually understand, to whether AI is coming for "button pusher" DFIR jobs. They explore plain language standards, the classic confusion between forensic "images" and pictures, and Brett Shavers' provocative blog post on AI and job security — leading into a wider discussion about the distinction between technicians and analysts in digital forensics. Si shares highlights from the Leica Geosystems Conference, including fascinating audio forensics research by Henry Vega on deriving vehicle speeds and weapon calibers from sound recordings, and Swedish police reconstructions of a mass shooting using audio evidence and Unreal Engine walkthroughs. The pair also explore the forensic challenges of AI-generated code, agentic processes on endpoints, and the security risks of consumer AI tools. #DFIR #DigitalForensics #AI #PrivacyParadox #AudioForensics 00:00 Welcome 00:34 Writing Clear Forensic Reports 01:20 Visual Timelines and Storytelling 06:52 Jargon Pitfalls and Glossaries 10:50 Old Media and Blu-Ray News 12:16 UPS Backups and Failing NAS 16:58 AI Will Replace Button Pushers 18:58 Technician vs Analyst Debate 25:54 Backlogs, Privacy and Evidence 34:39 Privacy Paradox and Distrust 42:45 AI Writes Podcast Intro 43:52 Copyright Lawsuit Talk 45:24 Claude vs ChatGPT Coding 48:48 Forensic Traces of AI 50:16 Agentic IR Attribution 53:43 Consumer Agents Security Risks 59:13 Leica Conference Highlights 01:01:09 Audio Forensics Breakthroughs 01:06:44 Image Forgery History 01:12:58 Chunnel Travel 01:17:36 Wrap-Up 👉 Visit Forensic Focus: https://www.forensicfocus.com 🎧 Video/Transcript: https://www.forensicfocus.com/podcast/dfir-in-2026-ai-button-pusher-forensics-writing-courtroom-reports-audio-breakthroughs-and-the-leica-geosystems-conference/ Show Notes 'If you suck at your DFIR job, AI is going to take it.' (Brett Shavers) – https://brettshavers.com/brett-s-blog/entry/if-you-suck-at-your-dfir-job-ai-is-going-to-take-it 'Sony shuts down production of recordable CD-R, DVD-R and BD-R discs' (Azernews) – https://www.azernews.az/region/228058.html Ross Ulbricht (Wikipedia) – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Ulbricht 'Regulator contacts Meta over workers watching intimate AI glasses videos' (BBC) – https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0q33nvj0qpo 'Why people don't demand data privacy – even as governments and corporations collect more personal information' (The Conversation) – https://theconversation.com/why-people-dont-demand-data-privacy-even-as-governments-and-corporations-collect-more-personal-information-262197 'Evaluating privacy - determining user privacy expectations on the web' (Science Direct) – https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0167404821000651 'The privacy paradox: Stay one step ahead of it' (Data Guard) – https://www.dataguard.com/blog/privacy-paradox/ Oxford Guide to Plain English (Amazon) – https://amzn.eu/d/09dj8Gr8 Placing the Suspect Behind the Keyboard: Using Digital Forensics and Investigative Techniques to Identify Cybercrime Suspects (Amazon) – https://amzn.eu/d/08fpfTny 👉 Follow Forensic Focus RSS | https://www.forensicfocus.com/feed YouTube | https://youtube.com/@ForensicFocus Podcast | https://forensicfocus.com/podcast LinkedIn Page | https://linkedin.com/company/forensicfocus LinkedIn Group | https://linkedin.com/groups/693917 X (Twitter) | https://x.com/ForensicFocus Facebook | https://facebook.com/forensicfocus Bluesky | https://bsky.app/profile/forensicfocus.bsky.social Instagram | https://instagram.com/forensicfocus TikTok | https://tiktok.com/@forensicfocus Mastodon | https://dfir.social/@forensicfocus
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    1 hr and 20 mins
  • Policing's Well-Being Problem: Stigma, Isolation And The Retention Crisis

    Policing's Well-Being Problem: Stigma, Isolation And The Retention Crisis
    Apr 13 2026

    Dr Sarah-Jane Lennie, Associate Professor at the Centre of Excellence for Equity in Uniformed Public Services at Anglia Ruskin University, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about mental health and well-being in policing — and the often-overlooked toll on police families. Drawing on 17 years as a police officer before moving into academia, Dr Lennie shares the moment her own mental health forced a career-defining decision, and how that experience shaped her research into the culture of silencing, stigma, and emotional masking that still pervades policing today. She explains why the context of policing — the trauma, threat, and violence — is not what harms officers most; it's how they're treated by the organisation afterwards.

    Dr Lennie describes the isolation partners face, the vicarious trauma they absorb while debriefing their officers, the intergenerational patterns that pull children of police into the same job with the same emotional rules, and the practical support families are asking for. She also discusses the Leapwise National Police Wellbeing Survey, the shift away from "resilience" messaging, the role of the academic working group at Anglia Ruskin, and why properly evaluating interventions is the only way to secure lasting change.

    #PoliceWellbeing #PoliceFamilies #MentalHealth #PoliceMentalHealth #VicariousTrauma #DigitalForensics #dfir

    ⏱️ Timestamps

    00:00 Introducing Dr Sarah-Jane Lennie

    02:40 From Policing to Academia

    03:51 Mental Health Breaking Point

    06:54 Culture of Silence

    11:13 Evidence Into Action

    12:44 Biggest Challenges Today

    13:59 How Families Are Impacted

    18:38 Why Families Are Overlooked

    19:29 Support Families Need

    22:31 Kids and Hidden Trauma

    26:42 Stress at Home

    28:07 Emotional Silencing

    29:23 Punitive Help-Seeking

    32:46 Investigations and Isolation

    33:32 Academic Working Group

    35:32 Evidence Into Practice

    46:41 Research Trust Barriers

    51:57 Final Message

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    🎧 Video/Transcript: https://www.forensicfocus.com/podcast/policings-well-being-problem-stigma-isolation-and-the-retention-crisis/

    📝 Show Notes

    Centre of Excellence for Equity in Uniformed Public Services (CEEUPS) – https://www.aru.ac.uk/research/our-research-institutes-and-centres/centre-of-excellence-for-equity-in-uniformed-public-services

    Dr Sarah-Jane Lennie (email) – Sarah-Jane.Lennie@aru.ac.uk

    National Police Well-Being Survey 2025 – https://oscarkilo.org.uk/national-police-wellbeing-survey-2025-deep-dive-psychological-safety

    Oscar Kilo Thank You Film – https://youtu.be/f-WUJeQG_E4?si=1PgwYD24n58T0M3z

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    54 mins
  • Rob Fried On New Challenges In Digital Forensics

    Rob Fried On New Challenges In Digital Forensics
    Mar 19 2026

    Rob Fried, digital forensics consultant, author, and assistant professor at Hofstra University, joins the Forensic Focus Podcast to talk about the evolving challenges of forensic practice, AI in investigations, and his latest book. Rob discusses his annual publication cadence — now in its fourth edition — and how each year's content is shaped by real cases, collaborations, and emerging topics in the DFIR community. This year's edition tackles AI policy, data culling strategy, and the documentation practices that keep forensic work defensible in court.

    The conversation also covers the growing complexity of remote collections and the soft skills required to manage them effectively, the tension between targeted and full file system approaches, and what happens when those decisions come under scrutiny in litigation. Rob shares his experience building a forensics practice from the ground up within an established e-discovery firm, his work teaching the next generation of examiners at Hofstra, and his upcoming symposium — now in its fifth year — which this year will focus on open source intelligence and corporate investigations.

    #mobileforensics #digitalforensics #dfir

    ⏱️ Timestamps

    00:00 Introducing Rob Fried

    03:48 Why Rob Keeps Writing

    07:33 AI Policies and Teaching

    09:39 AI Tools and NotebookLM

    11:42 AI Spam Call Story

    14:33 Forensic Lab and Data Strategy

    22:30 Targeted Collection Risks

    26:10 Remote Collections and Soft Skills

    33:41 Building a Forensics Practice

    35:14 Academia and Closing Skill Gaps

    39:17 Forensics Network

    41:26 Learning and Collaboration

    45:42 Planning the Annual Symposium

    50:36 Tech Roots and Career Values

    54:49 Swag, Challenge Coins and Future Plans

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    🎥 Video/Transcript: https://www.forensicfocus.com/podcast/rob-fried-on-new-challenges-in-digital-forensics/

    📝 Show Notes

    Forensics By Fried – https://forensicsbyfried.com

    Rob Fried's Books – https://forensicsbyfried.com/books

    AI Spoof Call (Instagram) – https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVOXY5MiGNT/?igsh=N3J0cDJwaXk1bW5o

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    1 hr and 5 mins