Show Notes: In this episode, Dr. Robyn Kassas and Dr. Nathan Kassas teach on the vital difference between knowing about God and Christianity versus truly knowing the real Jesus — and being fully known by Him. They explain why so many believers possess information about God yet lack the intimate relationship where Jesus touches the hidden, reserved places of the heart. Drawing from the humanity of Jesus who laid aside the full expression of His deity to walk as a man among us, and from Matthew 7:23 where He declares “I never knew you,” they reveal how the cross is not simply the forgiveness of sins but the door into a transformative journey — the first work of grace that opens the way to the second work of the Holy Spirit. This powerful teaching exposes the danger of living from religious information, performance, defense mechanisms, and masks instead of vulnerable, unfiltered relationship, and calls believers to stop merely admiring the door and instead walk through it into full transformation. They unpack how Jesus always initiates relationship, how true knowing produces formation, trust, participation, identity change, and heart living, and how God’s new mercies every morning — even neurologically offering 30,000 fresh chances daily through the brain’s rewiring — invite us into deeper maturity with the One who is real, relevant, and relational for New York City, America, and the world.

Hosts: Dr. Robyn Kassas and Dr. Nathan Kassas

Topics Covered: Intimacy With Jesus vs Knowing About Him, Matthew 7:23 “I Never Knew You”, Jesus the Door (Dalit), First Work of Grace vs Second Work of Grace, Come As You Are But Leave As I Am, Relationship vs Information and Religion, Defense Mechanisms and Masks, New Mercies Every Morning & Brain Rewiring, Jesus Initiates Relationship, Vertical and Horizontal Cross, Real Relevant and Relational Jesus for NYC and America, From First Love to Mature Transformation

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About the program: “First Love” with Dr. Robyn and Dr. Nathan Kassas is a life-transforming broadcast that helps believers and seekers reclaim God’s story through healing, truth, and restoration. Each episode unpacks why it works, how it works, and the process to walk it out—making Him real, relevant, and relational, and returning hearts to Jesus as their first love

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