In this first After the Interview episode of Equal-ish, Kate and Rachel reflect on their conversation with Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands, and explore the tensions that lingered once the microphones were off.

We explore what happens when couples are encouraged to “support the career that earns more”, and why that logic might reinforce traditional roles rather than disrupting them.

In this conversation we unpack:

• Why money decisions are never just economic

• How our money scripts (shaped by childhood, gender norms and past experiences) quietly drive conflict

• How income differences can turn into power imbalances

• Why focusing on efficiency can erase ambition, identity and care

• Why missed caregiving time is a loss we rarely measure

Rather than offering tidy answers, this episode invites you to hold the complexity. We leave you with this one question:

What decisions are you making now that the future you might regret?

Find out more about Modern Husbands here:

• Modern Husband’s website

• Modern Husbands: Family Financial Planning Calculator

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Achieving balance in both parenting and finances can feel overwhelming for couples. In this episode of Equal-ish, hosts Rachel Childs and Kate Mangino delve into the importance of teamwork in financial management with Brian Page, founder of Modern Husbands. Join us as we explore how childhood experiences shape our money habits, how gender norms around money, care, and breadwinning quietly shape our relationships — and often limit both partners.

Brian shares:

• Why he defines equality as equal leisure time, not 50/50 task lists

• How outdated breadwinner expectations still shape men’s choices (and anxieties)

• Why early childcare and career decisions compound financially for decades

• How couples can think of their household as a shared micro-economy

• Why money conflicts are rarely about money — and what they’re really about instead

This conversation offers a grounded, emotionally honest look at what it really takes to build a fair, sustainable partnership in modern family life. Find out more about Modern Husbands here:

• Modern Husband’s website

• Modern Husbands: Family Financial Planning Calculator

• Dr. Claudia Goldin’s research on the gender pay gap

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Explore the science of modern parenthood, attachment, and partnership during our reflections from our interview with evolutionary anthropologist Dr Anna Machin. Dr Anna Machin is an evolutionary anthropologist, writer and broadcaster who is world renowned for her work into the science and anthropology of human love and fatherhood. She is the author of the Life of Dad: The Making of the Modern Father and Why We Love: The Definitive Guide to our Most Fundamental Need. She is the lead scientist for the new dating app LoveJack.

In the coaching edit, Kate and Rachel go deeper into the science, and the practical implications, of what equal parenting really means, offering key insights for couples who want to parent as a true team.

Key Takeaways:

• Dads are naturally caregivers – Emotional detachment in fathers is socially constructed, not biological. Fathers’ hormones respond to caregiving, just like mothers’.
  

• Attachment matters – Children thrive with multiple attachments; strong parental bonds support resilience and pro-social behavior.
  

• Emotional intimacy fuels parenting – High emotional connection between partners increases confidence and involvement in dads.
  

• Invest in your relationship before baby arrives – Conversations about values, roles, and expectations build strong foundations for equitable parenting.
  

• Redefine gender norms – Challenge traditional ideas of motherhood and fatherhood; write your own parenting scripts.
  

• Social networks are vital – Romantic love isn’t the only important bond. Friendships, family, and community connections boost happiness and health.

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