In this episode, Jackie is joined by Caitlyn and Gabs to unpack what leadership really means, and why so many of us have worked under leaders who received the title without mastering the leading.

They challenge "convenient leadership" and explore leadership as a behaviour, not a position. Anyone who takes responsibility for finding potential in people and processes is a leader and you don't need permission or a promotion to start leading. Whether or not you hold an official title, they share practical ways to grow your leadership skills.

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This podcast is brought to you by Kid Link Occupational Therapy.

We acknowledge the Wurundjeri Woi Wurrung people as the Traditional Owners of the land on which we work and live here in Mitcham, Victoria. We pay our respects to their Elders, past and present, and recognize their ongoing connection to the land, waterways, and culture. As we support children and families, we are inspired by the wisdom and care that First Nations peoples have shown for generations.

Music by Daniel Pavey

Produced by Michael Daniels

Relevant Episode Links:

Brené Brown – Strong Ground (her 2025 book on daring leadership): https://brenebrown.com/hubs/strong-ground/

Brené Brown – Dare to Lead: https://brenebrown.com/hubs/dare-to-lead/

Adam Grant – Think Again (the "rethinking" book): https://adamgrant.net/book/think-again/

Kristin Neff – Self-Compassion: https://selfcompassion.org