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Debunking Economics - the podcast

Debunking Economics - the podcast

By: Steve Keen & Phil Dobbie
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Economist Steve Keen talks to Phil Dobbie about the failings of the neoclassical economics and how it reflects on society.

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Episodes
  • Hedging an Uncertain Future

    Hedging an Uncertain Future
    May 20 2026
    This week Phil challenges Steve on how the futures market handles terminal risk, pointing out that oil prices slope downward over time simply because traders blindly assume the Strait of Hormuz will reopen. Steve agrees and tears into the financial sector, explaining that modern pricing models dangerously mistake unquantifiable "uncertainty" for manageable "risk" by using flawed Gaussian distributions that erase the possibility of catastrophic, extreme events. Phil notes that the financial system's obsession with short-term hedging actually prevents behavior change and masks physical scarcity, leading corporations to scrap vital emergency buffers like PPE or fuel reserves in the name of market efficiency. Ultimately, Steve warns that while Western economies face a massive financial crash when these paper bets collide with zero physical supply, nations like China are strategically bypassing the market system altogether by stockpiling massive, real-world physical buffers of grain and energy to survive the looming collapse.

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    38 mins
  • Conditioned to borrow, not save

    Conditioned to borrow, not save
    May 13 2026
    This week Phil and Steve dismantle the structural shift of the global economy toward a permanent state of debt dependence. Following a critique of Steve’s recent debate on the Piers Morgan show and a revisit to last week’s discussion on th link between energy and productivity, they look at how policy since the 1980s aggressively incentivizes borrowing over saving. Steve argues that the banking sector now functions primarily to inflate asset bubbles—particularly in housing—rather than funding productive industry, effectively conditioning entire generations to rely on debt-fueled asset growth for wealth. By debunking the neoclassical "savings myth," they show how the broader economy is dangerously fragile to any slowdown in the relentless creation of new debt.

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    46 mins
  • Improving Productivity

    Improving Productivity
    May 6 2026
    In this episode of Debunking Economics, Steve Keen dismantles the mainstream economic obsession with "Total Factor Productivity" (TFP), labeling it a mythical construct that ignores the laws of physics. He argues that economists historically "fudged" data to credit an abstract idea of technology for growth, while in reality, productivity gains are almost entirely a function of increasing the energy throughput of machinery. Keen asserts that "labor without energy is a corpse" and "capital without energy is a sculpture," emphasizing that real output only rises when we design machines capable of converting more energy into useful work. The discussion concludes that as the global economy faces energy supply shocks and shifts from fragile "just-in-time" efficiency toward localized resilience, we must brace for a structural decline in traditional productivity, as "resilience" is effectively the physical price paid for security in a less stable world.

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    33 mins
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I haven’t read the book yet but will be getting it! Enjoyed listening to the analysis of recent economic affairs. Accessible and informative.

Interesting economic analysis

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Great podcast offering some heterodox economic analysis. A recommended listen for everyone in the UK especially.

Great podcast

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