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In this 25th episode of the Dead Man Talking Podcast, the crew is joined by a special guest, Jen Janz. Jen is a friend and college mate to each of the crew, and she is the wife of Jason Janz.

After growing up around a complicated and confusing approach to human emotions, and coming face to face with the long-term effects of emotional trauma, Jen set out on a mission to understand and craft an approach to two very important lists: 8 human emotions, 12 human needs.

After offering an introduction and orientation to understanding emotions and needs, Jen and the guys try to apply these human realities and responses to Bob and his situation and to others in the group.

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What happens when life as you knew it disappears—and the future hasn’t taken shape yet? In this episode of Dead Man Talking, the crew dives into the disorienting, often painful reality of liminal space... that “already but not yet” season where certainty fades, identity feels untethered, and your feet are “firmly planted in midair.” Through raw stories of cancer, loss, vocational upheaval, war, and personal crisis, the conversation names what many feel but struggle to articulate: freefall, loneliness, questioning, longing. This isn’t a quick-fix conversation—there are no easy answers here, only honest reflections on what it feels like to live in the tension when old answers stop working and new ones haven’t arrived yet .

But beneath the disorientation, there’s something deeper being uncovered. Liminal space becomes a revealer—stripping away false anchors like control, identity, and security—and pointing toward something more enduring. As the conversation unfolds, the group explores how these in-between seasons, though unwanted, can sharpen faith, deepen dependence, and awaken a quiet but persistent hope. Whether you’re navigating uncertainty, loss, or a season of waiting, this episode invites you to recognize that you’re not alone—and that even when nothing feels stable, there may be something eternal holding you steady.

You can donate to the ministry of Audra Smith, the Pastor's Widow, by clicking here. Your gifts are greatly appreciated. To learn more about Audra's work, you can find her website here. Also, look for her on Facebook and Instagram.

Will you consider giving to help support Bob Roberts and his ministry as he seeks to glorify God along his cancer journey. Any and all gifts are greatly appreciated. You can give here at the Go Fund Me page that was created for him.

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We all feel it at some point—the quiet, persistent ache that something in this world is not the way it’s supposed to be. In this episode of Dead Man Talking, the guys lean into that reality with honesty and vulnerability, exploring what Scripture calls the “groaning” of creation and the groaning we feel deep within ourselves. Through personal stories of suffering, loss, friendship, and even facing death, this conversation refuses to numb the pain or rush past it. Instead, it names it.

But this isn’t a conversation without hope. As the discussion unfolds, the groaning itself begins to take on new meaning—not as a sign of despair, but as evidence that we were made for something more. From Romans 8 to the words of Jesus, the guys reflect on how our longing, our grief, and even our confusion are all pointing beyond this broken world to a coming restoration. This is not the way it’s supposed to be… and deep down, we know it.

Whether you’re walking through personal loss, wrestling with unanswered questions, or simply feeling the weight of a broken world, this episode is an invitation to be honest about your groaning—and to find that even there, Christ meets us. Not with quick fixes, but with presence, promise, and a hope that does not disappoint.

You can donate to the ministry of Audra Smith, the Pastor's Widow, by clicking here. Your gifts are greatly appreciated. To learn more about Audra's work, you can find her website here. Also, look for her on Facebook and Instagram.

Will you consider giving to help support Bob Roberts and his ministry as he seeks to glorify God along his cancer journey. Any and all gifts are greatly appreciated. You can give here at the Go Fund Me page that was created for him.