What if you could save your marriage — even if your partner has already given up? In this episode of the Teaching Journeys Podcast, host Dave Roberts sits down with Dr. Lee Baucom, PhD, creator of the globally used Save the Marriage system and host of the Save the Marriage podcast (600+ episodes strong).

Lee breaks down why most marriages fail — not from conflict, but from disconnection — and introduces his concept of the "pause button": the moment couples stop investing in their relationship and slowly drift apart. He reveals the three levels of connection (physical, emotional, and spiritual) that every healthy marriage requires, and explains why neglecting even one can quietly erode a relationship over years.

You'll also discover:

• Why premarital counseling rarely works — and what actually does

• How to rebuild intimacy using a team approach, even through trauma, grief, and conflict

• Why one motivated partner can shift the entire relationship dynamic (no dragging a reluctant spouse to therapy required)

• The chaser-spacer dynamic — and how to invite connection instead of pushing your partner away

• How Lee's Unpause app helps couples build new habits of connection daily

• Whether your marriage is quietly disconnecting or at a full-blown crisis point, this episode delivers a clear, actionable roadmap for turning things around.

Lee’s Bio and Contact Information

Lee Baucom, Ph.D., is the creator of the Save The Marriage System,

used around the world for over two decades. He is the author of four

books on relationship issues and marriage recovery. As a Relationship

Coach, Lee works with people around the world to save and restore

their intimate relationships, even when a partner has given up.

His method proved useful for people, working on their own, to turn

their marriages and committed relationships around into loving,

thriving, connected relationships. He shares that approach in his

System, his writing, and the Save The Marriage Podcast. He has been

podcasting since 2013. He is married, with two adult children and two

active dogs.

Connect with Lee Baucom:

📌 Connect with Lee Baucom:

Chronically disconnected → unpauseyourmarriage.com

At a crisis point → savethemarriage.com

Save the Marriage Podcast: savethemarriage.com

YouTube: Search : Lee Baucom Save the Marriage

To connect with Dave, go to davidrobertsmsw.com