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Both/And: A Sexual Violence Prevention Podcast

Both/And: A Sexual Violence Prevention Podcast

By: Jess Clark
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Deep dive conversations on sexual violence prevention! Jess Clark, Director of Sexual Violence Prevention for the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs interviews experts in the field, authors, musicians, educators, podcasters, and organizers on what sexual violence prevention can look like in our daily lives. Jess can be reached at jessc@nmcsap.org© 2026 Both/And: A Sexual Violence Prevention Podcast Social Sciences
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  • Conflict is Not Abuse with Sarah Schulman

    Conflict is Not Abuse with Sarah Schulman
    Jun 26 2026
    Even if you are unfamiliar with today's guest, novelist, playwright, screenwriter, nonfiction writer and AIDS historian Sarah Schulman, there’s a very good chance that you have been influenced by her work. Her ideas and approach to activism have become woven into our collective awareness in a way that makes people of so many different experiences and perspectives sit up and pay attention. In a world that is increasingly either/or, Schulman’s nuance and emphasis on concrete effectiveness and the need to look at situations within their context instead of as caricatures drawn to reinforce dominant narratives make her a perfect guest for Both/And. In our conversation, we explore how her book, Conflict is Not Abuse can inform our approach to our prevention practices, our interpersonal dealings, and our efforts to confront systemic harm. I hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did! Sarah Schulman teaches Creative Writing (Nonfiction and Fiction) with an emphasis on manuscript development. She is a novelist, playwright, screenwriter, nonfiction writer and AIDS historian.Sarah is a native New Yorker, born in 1958, who started as a journalist in the grassroots lesbian, gay and feminist press in 1979. That year she became active in the Reproductive Rights Movement, working for abortion rights and against sterilization abuse. Her first plays were produced as part of the Downtown Arts Scene of the 1980's, and her first novel was published in 1984.In 1986 Sarah and her longtime collaborator Jim Hubbard started MIX:The Queer Experimental Film and Video Festival which lasted for 33 years. She has been a collaborator on many experimental films, including screenwriter or co-screenwriter for 4 features: The Owls (dir. Cheryl Dunye), Mommy Is Coming (dir. Cheryl Dunye), Jason and Shirley (dir. Stephen Winter) and United In Anger: A History of ACT UP (dir. Jim Hubbard.) Her films have shown in Theatrical Distribution and at The Berlin Film Festival, Hot Docs, Bamfest, The Museum of Modern Art, Outfest, and on the Criterian Collection.She was a member of ACT UP, New York from 1987 to 1992, and a co-founder of the Lesbian Avengers. Today she serves on the Advisory Board of Jewish Voice for Peace and is co-director of The ACT UP Oral History Project. She is the author of 21 books, including novels in multiple genres: historical fiction, literary fiction, experimental work, detective novels, speculative fiction. Sarah’s work as a journalist, activist, and novelist is extensively discussed in “Queer Kinship in Sarah Schulman’s AIDS Novels” (Routledge 2024), a research monograph juxtaposing the works about the AIDS epidemic.In 2002, Sarah became an "Uptown" playwright with the world premiere of her play CARSON McCULLERS (dir. Marion McClinton) followed by MANIC FLIGHT REACTION (w/ Deirdre O'Connell), both at Playwrights Horizons. Her play THE BURNING DECK (w/ Diane Venora) was performed at the La Jolla Playhouse, her adaptation of IB Singer's ENEMIES, A LOVE STORY (w/ Morgan Spector) premiered at the Wilma Theater and THE LADY HAMLET opened at The Provincetown Theater (dir. by David Drake, W/ Jennifer Van Dyck.) Her plays have been developed at The Goodman Theater, The Cleveland Playhouse, The Berkshire Theater Festival, The Vineyard, The Roundabout, and many other theaters.LINKS:Conflict is not Abuse Overstating Harm, Community Responsibility, and the Duty of RepairUnited in Anger A history of ACT-UPACT-UP Oral History ProjectLet the Record Show A Political History of ACT UP New York, 1987-1993The Fantasy and Necessity of Solidarity People in Trouble How to Survive the End of the World episode with Sarah Schulman Building Resilient OrganizationsBoth/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs. www.nmcsap.org Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.orgIntro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/Logo: Alex Ross-ReedProduced by: Jess ClarkEdited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studioshttps://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com
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    48 mins
  • Ruining "The Moment" with Erin Tillman

    Ruining "The Moment" with Erin Tillman
    May 19 2026

    When we talk about consent in community or in school classrooms or as commentary on social media, one of the common refrains is “but it’ll ruin the moment!”. This idea of “the moment” has been in large part created and reinforced by the movies and tv we have grown up with. In recent years, the creation of that moment has been given extra care and consideration by hiring Intimacy Coordinators. Erin Tillman, CEO of Relational Equity Group, is, among many things, a Certified Intimacy Coordinator who works to facilitate conversations around boundaries and safety, while also being a cheerleader for the creative process. In this episode, Erin and I dive into why intimacy coordination exists in the first place, the relationship between comprehensive sexuality education and media, and the lessons we can all learn from intimacy coordination.

    I hope you enjoy!


    Links:

    Find Erin HERE!


    Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs. www.nmcsap.org
    Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org

    Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/
    Logo: Alex Ross-Reed
    Produced by: Jess Clark
    Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios
    https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com
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    53 mins
  • Public Education as a Site of Community Transformation with Kate Noble

    Public Education as a Site of Community Transformation with Kate Noble
    Feb 20 2026

    Have you ever wanted to make a change in your community and not known where to start? Do you have children? Have you ever cared about traffic or where alcohol can be sold or food insecurity or mental health or flu vaccinations or access to books? Your community public schools are the place where you can have an impact on every one of those issues and so much more. In this episode, I spoke with Kate Noble, President of the Santa Fe Public School Board and CEO of Growing up New Mexico about public Schools as the foundation for community wellness. Kate is brilliant and funny and deeply passionate about public education.

    Kate Noble was born in Santa Fe and got a wonderful education in the Santa Fe Public Schools. She graduated from Santa Fe High School and attended Columbia University in New York City, graduating with a Bachelor of Arts in Film Studies. Kate spent 10 years at the BBC’s Business News Desk as a producer, reporter and anchor. She then returned to Santa Fe and began working for the City of Santa Fe in economic and community development, where she focused on growing local businesses and local talent. She joined Growing Up New Mexico, an early childhood community organization, in 2018, and became CEO in 2023. She is proud to have her son in the Santa Fe Public Schools and considers him her greatest teacher.


    Kate has spent the last eight and a half years serving on the SFPS Board. She believes in the power of running a good meeting, and values the different viewpoints of fellow Board Members. She is proud of the progress made during her time on the Board including increases in graduation rates, and raises for staff.



    Both/And is a project of the New Mexico Coalition of Sexual Assault Programs. www.nmcsap.org
    Need support? Call, text, or chat the NM Sexual Assault Helpline at 1-844-NMSAHLP | 1-844-667-2457 | www.nmsahelp.org

    Intro music: "Can't Get Enough Sunlight" written and recorded by Michelle Chamuel http://michellechamuel.com/
    Logo: Alex Ross-Reed
    Produced by: Jess Clark
    Edited By: Dacia Clay at Pillow Fort Studios
    https://www.pillowfortpodcasts.com
    Show More Show Less
    53 mins
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