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Betwixt Podcast | Special Release

Betwixt Podcast | Special Release

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This is a special, one-season release of the Betwixt Podcast from IVP author, Deb Gregory. To continue listening to the podcast after Episode 13, subscribe to the Betwixt Podcast here:

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Betwixt is a waypoint for spiritual wayfinders exploring the liminal passages that shape our lives. In each episode, Deb Gregory invites you into a grounded conversation and an embodied practice to help you navigate the spiritual life with intention and wisdom. If you’re seeking a steadier, more spacious way to walk with God, Betwixt is a companion for the journey.

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Episodes
  • Episode 7 – Inside the Sensory Rich, Embodied Wisdom of Neurodivergent Spirituality with Josh Davis

    Episode 7 – Inside the Sensory Rich, Embodied Wisdom of Neurodivergent Spirituality with Josh Davis
    Jul 14 2026
    SPECIAL OFFER | As a listener of the show, you can get 25% off Deb Gregory's new book, Spiritual Wayfinding, by using the code IVPOD25 at checkout at ivpress.com. We hope you enjoy this season!Autistic pastor and spiritual director Josh Davis takes us inside the sensory‑rich, embodied wisdom of neurodivergent spirituality. He shares how his body processes emotional and sensory spikes, how stimming helps him settle, and why music has become his “heart language”—a place to regulate and commune with God without words.We explore the surge of surprise, the role of embodied prayer, and the spiritual depth that emerges when we honor the body’s way of knowing.Featuring selections from Josh’s own music throughout the episode. In this episode:How surprise impacts emotional regulation and spiritual transformation, guided by research from “surpriseologists” Tania Luna and Leanne RenningerThe significance of the surprise regulation protocol: freeze, find, shift, and shareJosh’s embodied practices for connecting with God through sunlight, blessing, and sensory groundingThe nuances of masking versus unmasking, and the spiritual journey of owning neurodivergent traitsThe sacred role of music as a heart language that fosters divine communionChallenges and creative solutions for neurodivergent believers in church environmentsThe importance of cultivating spaces of authentic belonging and vulnerabilityHow imagination works differently in neurodivergence, including insights on aphantasia and alternative pathways to divine encounterPractical ways leaders and spiritual directors can validate diverse pathways to God and nurture neurodivergent giftsA guided reflection inspired by Psalm 34 to taste, see, hear, smell, and touch the goodness of GodTimestamps:(00:00) The power of surprise and its role in emotional and spiritual awakening(02:37) The surprise regulation protocol: freeze, find, shift, share(07:12) Embodied spiritual practices for regulation and connection(10:16) Understanding neurodivergence as creative diversity(17:12) How surprise amplifies emotions and how to cultivate grace(22:14) Neurodivergent experiences of church, worship, and belonging(28:04) The gifts of neurodivergent believers: diversity as divine design(30:42) The spiritual richness of the body and movement in Scripture and practice(35:24) The unmasking process: vulnerability, shame, and spiritual freedom(46:46) Imagining with and without visualization: a guide for spiritual growth(58:11) A simple embodied meditation to taste and see God’s goodnessResources & Links:Neurodivergent Faith PodcastSpiritual Wayfinding: 33 Walking Meditations for Navigating Life with Embodied Wisdom by Deborah GregoryPsalm 34 ScriptureSurprise by Tanya Luna & Leanne RennigerConnect with Josh Davis:Podcast: Neurodivergent Faith PodcastYouTube: Just Josh Davis (Autistic Pastor) Facebook - Josh DavisInstagram -@autisticpastorMusic – Just Josh Davis on BandcampExtended Closing Meditation:Join Josh in this embodied reflection: pause, notice one sensory experience that signals God's goodness, and breathe in divine blessing. Feel free to adapt practices for your own body, soul, and context—trusting that transformation often begins in the surprise of simply showing up as ourselves.Music:Opening Music: Palms Down by Blue Dot SessionsClosing Song: "Roots" by RyvoliFeatured Songs by Josh Davis: What If, Desire
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    51 mins
  • Episode 6 – Awe and the Universe with Vatican Astronomer Br. Guy Consolmagno, SJ

    Episode 6 – Awe and the Universe with Vatican Astronomer Br. Guy Consolmagno, SJ
    Jul 7 2026
    SPECIAL OFFER | As a listener of the show, you can get 25% off Deb Gregory's new book, Spiritual Wayfinding, by using the code IVPOD25 at checkout at ivpress.com. We hope you enjoy this season!Today’s guest is Br. Guy Consolmagno, SJ—astronomer, Jesuit brother, and former Director of the Vatican Observatory. Br. Guy has spent his life studying meteorites, galaxies, and the deep structure of the cosmos, all while living a profoundly grounded Ignatian spirituality. His work invites us to see scientific curiosity not as a threat to faith, but as one of its most natural expressions.In this conversation, we explore how wonder becomes a spiritual practice, how humility is woven into the fabric of the universe, and why the vastness of space can actually draw us closer to a God who delights in creation. Br. Guy shares stories from his decades of research, his unexpected path to the Jesuits, and the surprising ways science can deepen our prayer.Use code IVPOD25 for 25% off Spiritual Wayfinding: 33 Walking Meditations for Navigating Life with Embodied WisdomIn This EpisodeWhy wonder is essential to both science and spiritual lifeHow Ignatian spirituality shapes the way we explore the cosmosWhat meteorites teach us about time, humility, and God’s creativityWhy the universe’s vastness doesn’t diminish us—it situates usHow curiosity can become a form of prayerThe role of joy, play, and delight in scientific discoveryWhat it means to trust a God who is both intimate and unimaginably expansiveTrail Marker: The Spiritual Gift of WonderMidway through the episode, we pause to reflect on awe as a spiritual posture. Br. Guy describes awe and wonder not as a fleeting emotions but as a way of being awake to God’s presence in the world. Wonder slows us down, opens us up, and reminds us that we are creatures—finite but infinitely loved.He reminds us that *the universe is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be entered.* That shift—from control to curiosity—changes how we pray, how we learn, and how we live.Timecodes:0:53–4:34 Brother Guy introduces walking prayer, embodiment, and finding God in physical creation5:15–8:19 Pain, the ankle injury, and how suffering deepens gratitude and awareness10:51–15:07 Awe, science, adventure, and why he joined the Jesuits18:20–24:31 Finding God in all things, the vastness of the universe, and God’s attention27:47–33:50 Beauty, acatamiento, awe vs. fear, and being overwhelmed in a good way34:30–37:55 Justice, mercy, the poor, Sabbath, and why rest matters41:08–44:07 The moon practice as a simple spiritual exercise44:11–45:01 Closing reflections and final blessingResources MentionedJesuit Guide to the Stars (Loyola Press)Vatican ObservatorySpecola VaticanaVatican Observatory FoundationGod’s Grandeur: A poem by Gerard Manley Hopkins, SJ (Read by Jonathan Roumie)Connect with Deb: Flourish Spiritual Direction | Substack | Facebook | InstagramSpiritual Wayfinding: 33 Walking Meditations for Navigating Life with Embodied WisdomSoundtrack CreditsOpening Music: “Palms Down” — Blue Dot SessionsClosing Song: “Roots” — Ryvoli
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    46 mins
  • Episode 5 – Play, Embodied Prayer, and the Wisdom of Children with Lacy Finn Borgo

    Episode 5 – Play, Embodied Prayer, and the Wisdom of Children with Lacy Finn Borgo
    Jun 30 2026

    SPECIAL OFFER | As a listener of the show, you can get 25% off Deb Gregory's new book, Spiritual Wayfinding, by using the code IVPOD25 at checkout at ivpress.com. We hope you enjoy this season!


    Today’s guest is Lacy Finn Borgo—spiritual director, Renovaré faculty member, and longtime companion to children and families at Haven House, a transitional housing community in Colorado. Lacy is also the author of Spiritual Conversations with Children and Life with God for Children, books that have helped many of us reimagine children not as empty vessels to be filled, but as natural contemplatives who can lead us deeper into the heart of God.

    In this episode, we explore how children pray with their whole bodies, how play becomes a doorway into God’s presence, and how adults can learn to listen with humility and curiosity. Lacy shares stories from her work with children navigating trauma, her research on projection and imagination, and the surprising ways children model freedom, resilience, and unselfconscious connection with God.


    In This Episode
    • How children naturally engage God through play, imagination, and embodied movement
    • Why adults often over-teach and under-listen
    • The role of projection in helping children express their inner world
    • How walking side-by-side opens deeper conversations
    • Embodied practices that help children (and adults) regulate anxiety
    • What children teach us about failure, freedom, and spiritual courage


    Trail Marker: Why Poohsticks Works

    Midway through the episode, we pause to explore the Pooh Thought-Sticks meditation—a practice Lacy and I reference early on. We look at why this simple act of naming a thought, choosing a stick, and releasing it into moving water helps the nervous system shift from defensiveness to openness. Rather than erasing or fighting difficult thoughts, Poohsticks teaches us to acknowledge them, accept them, and entrust them to God’s care.

    You can download the full Pooh Thought-sticks walk from Spiritual Wayfinding here: Download the Poohsticks Walk → LINK


    Resources Mentioned
    • Spiritual Conversations with Children — Lacy Finn Borgo
    • Life with God for Children — Lacy Finn Borgo
    • Spiritual Wayfinding — Deb Gregory
    • Connect with Lacy: Good Dirt Ministries | Substack | Facebook | Instagram
    • Connect with Deb: Flourish Spiritual Direction | Substack | Facebook | Instagram


    Soundtrack Credits:

    Opening Music: Palms Down by Blue Dot Sessions

    Closing Song: "Roots" by Ryvoli
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    40 mins
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