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Between Two Psychs with Dr Adam McCartney and Mike Lane

Between Two Psychs with Dr Adam McCartney and Mike Lane

By: Dr Adam McCartney and Mike Lane
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In this podcast Adam and Mike address all your education questions. They show the power of thinking psychologically can have on resolving everyday issues within education, learning and in raising happy children.Dr Adam McCartney and Mike Lane
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  • Ep. 29 - How to fix Experts At Hand
    Jun 23 2026
    In this episode, we explore one of the biggest questions emerging from the proposed S.E.N.D reforms: have we become too focused on assessments, reports, diagnoses, and labels, while overlooking the value of professional conversations?We discuss the growing focus on consultation within the Experts at Hand model and what this shift could mean for schools, educational psychologists, and wider S.E.N.D support services. As systems move towards greater collaboration, we examine how consultation can help professionals understand challenges, develop solutions, and empower the adults who support children every day.Throughout the conversation, we unpack what consultation actually is and why it is much more than simply having a discussion. We also explore consultation frameworks, including PIMS and the SWAIR model, and how systemic thinking can help schools look beyond individual needs.Alongside this, we examine the differences between consultation, supervision, and coaching, and consider how these approaches may support future models of inclusion and multi-agency working.Ultimately, we reflect on how collaboration, shared expertise, and professional conversations can help build confidence, strengthen practice, and improve outcomes for children.In This Episode, We ExploreWhat the Experts at Hand approach could mean for schools and SEND services.Why consultation is more than just a conversation.How consultation can empower teachers and school staff.The role of educational psychologists within emerging SEND reforms.The PIMS and SWAIR consultation models.The differences between consultation, supervision, and coaching.Why shared expertise and multi-agency working are essential for supporting children.Why This Episode MattersAs S.E.N.D systems continue to evolve, schools are increasingly being encouraged to build capacity through collaboration rather than relying solely on assessment-led approaches.This episode explores how consultation can support inclusion by bringing together expertise from schools and professional networks, helping staff develop confidence, practical solutions, and stronger systems of support.Whether you're a teacher, school leader, educational psychologist, SENCO, therapist, or parent, this episode offers valuable insights into the role consultation may play in the future of S.E.N.D and inclusive practice.🎧 Listen now to discover why some of the most powerful support for children may begin with the right conversation.Join the ConversationWhat are your thoughts on consultation-based approaches?How can schools balance assessment, intervention, and collaboration?Have consultation approaches helped improve inclusion in your setting?Share your thoughts and experiences; we'd love to hear from you.Episode SponsorThis episode of Between Two Psychs is proudly sponsored by Sanctuary Personnel.As a specialist recruitment partner across psychology services, education, social care, and healthcare, Sanctuary Personnel is dedicated to connecting talented professionals with organisations that truly value expertise. Their consultative approach means they understand the sectors they serve and the challenges faced by professionals across the UK.If you're looking to strengthen your team or elevate your own career, visit sanctuarypersonnel.com.You can also reach out directly to Kamruz Zaman at Kamruz Zaman - Sanctuary Personnel and Suzi Couszins at Suzi Couszins - Sanctuary PersonnelConnect with Mike LaneWebsite: ridgewaypsychology.co.ukLinkedIn: michael-laneConnect with MeInstagram: @‌dradammcartneyWebsite: dradammccartney.comYouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney
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    30 mins
  • Ep. 28 - Why Are School Exclusions Rising When Behaviour Policies Are Clear?
    Jun 16 2026

    In this episode, I explore a question that many schools are grappling with: Why are exclusions continuing to rise despite behaviour policies becoming clearer and more structured than ever before?

    Drawing on my experience as an Educational Psychologist, I examine the growing reliance on consequence-driven behaviour systems and explore why these approaches often fail to create lasting change. While clear expectations and boundaries have their place, behaviour does not happen in isolation. Children's experiences of school are shaped by relationships, emotional regulation, and their sense of belonging.

    Throughout the episode, I discuss how behaviour is often viewed as the problem itself rather than a signal that something deeper may be happening. I explore the impact of sensory, emotional, and social development on a child's ability to regulate their behaviour, particularly for neurodiverse young people navigating busy and demanding school environments.

    I also share practical alternatives that schools can use to strengthen relationships, improve accountability, and reduce conflict. From restorative approaches to proactive regulation strategies, this episode focuses on creating school cultures where young people feel seen, supported, and understood.

    Ultimately, this episode challenges us to consider whether behaviour policies alone can solve behaviour challenges, or whether meaningful relationships remain the most powerful tool we have.

    In This Episode, I Explore

    • Why exclusions continue to rise despite increasingly strict behaviour policies.
    • The difference between consequence-driven systems and relational approaches.
    • How sensory, language, emotional, and cognitive development influence behaviour.
    • Why neurodiverse pupils may find school environments particularly overwhelming.
    • The role relationships play in helping young people regulate emotions.
    • How restorative approaches can create genuine accountability and repair harm.

    Why This Episode Matters

    Across education, schools are facing increasing challenges around behaviour, attendance, wellbeing and exclusion.

    While many systems focus on consequences and compliance, this episode explores a different perspective: that behaviour is deeply connected to relationships, emotional safety, and a child's experience of belonging.

    Understanding what sits beneath behaviour can help schools move beyond simply managing incidents and towards creating environments where young people are more able to engage, regulate, and succeed.

    If you're a teacher, school leader, educational psychologist, or parent, this episode offers practical insights into how relationships can become a powerful foundation for both behaviour and learning.

    🎧 Listen now and discover why the strongest behaviour strategy may not be a policy at all but the relationships we build every day.

    Join the Conversation

    What are your thoughts on behaviour policies and exclusions?
    Have you seen relational approaches make a difference in your school or setting?

    Share your thoughts and experiences. we'd love to hear from you.

    Connect with Me

    Instagram: @‌dradammcartney
    Website: dradammccartney.com
    YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney

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    24 mins
  • Ep. 27 - The Power of Lesson Study: Making Inclusion Work Through Collaboration
    Jun 9 2026

    In this episode, I explore one of the most effective approaches I use when working with schools: Lesson Study for Assessment.

    Originally developed in Japan, lesson study offers a collaborative framework that brings together teachers, educational psychologists, and school leaders to design, observe, evaluate, and refine teaching in a way that benefits all learners. Rather than relying on expert-driven recommendations, this approach places psychology and pedagogy side by side, creating a shared process of inquiry and problem-solving.

    Through real examples from my own practice, I explore how lesson study can strengthen inclusion, support pupils with additional needs, and help schools create learning experiences that are both meaningful and engaging. I discuss how collaboration between professionals can lead to better outcomes for children, while also giving teachers greater ownership of the learning process.

    A key theme throughout the episode is that effective support comes from psychology and pedagogy working together. When professionals bring different perspectives to the same challenge, they are better able to understand children's needs, build on their strengths, and create opportunities for genuine participation and success.

    Ultimately, this episode is about creating classrooms where every child feels valued, included and able to thrive.

    In This Episode, I Explore

    • What Lesson Study for Assessment is and where it originated.
    • How educational psychologists, teachers, and school leaders can work collaboratively to improve learning.
    • Why psychology and pedagogy should be viewed as complementary disciplines.
    • How lesson study can support inclusion without becoming tokenistic.
    • Ways to use peer relationships and collaboration to strengthen learning outcomes.
    • How schools can develop meaningful and measurable targets for pupils with additional needs.

    Why This Episode Matters

    As schools work to create more inclusive learning environments, collaboration has never been more important.

    Lesson Study for Assessment provides a practical way for teachers, psychologists, and school leaders to work together, better understand pupils' needs, and design learning that supports everyone.

    When professionals think and plan together, children are more likely to feel included, valued, and able to succeed.

    🎧 Listen now and discover how psychology and pedagogy can work together to create better learning opportunities for every child.

    Connect with Me

    Instagram: @‌dradammcartney
    Website: dradammccartney.com
    YouTube: @‌Dr.AdamMcCartney

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    20 mins
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