"I'd say I love you even at your darkest, and please don't go." This week, we continue our winter songs conversation with a deep dive into "Forever Winter" from Red (Taylor's Version). Content warning: This episode discusses mental health struggles, suicide, and grief. We explore the song line by line, examining themes of helplessness, survivor's guilt, the weight of supporting someone through mental illness, and how Taylor captures the raw emotions of loving someone at their darkest. Join us as we unpack what it means to promise "I won't go away" and why this vault track remains one of Taylor's most emotionally devastating songs.

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[00:01] Introduction and content warning - mental health and grief discussion

[02:53] Why Taylor has never performed this song live - the pattern of deeply personal songs

[16:44] Red era context: Mental health conversations in 2010 vs. today

[32:52] "I'll be summer sun for you forever" - The impossibility of being someone's savior

[34:06] Bridge analysis: "If I was standing there in your apartment"

[45:04] "Believe in one thing, I won't go away" - Poetry of immortalization

[59:32] The toll of supporting someone: When care requires its own support system

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"But then the cold came, the dark days when fear crept into my mind" What happens when we explore Taylor Swift's coldest, most melancholic songs? In this week's Show and Tell episode, we examine three winter songs—"Back to December," "The Moment I Knew," and "Forever Winter"—to uncover how Taylor uses winter as a literary device to explore themes of regret, loss, and missed opportunities. From the isolation of snowy landscapes to the clarity that comes with reflection, we discuss how winter symbolizes both endings and the quiet before renewal. Spoiler alert: these songs all appear on Spotify's "Saddest Taylor Swift Songs" playlist, so bring tissues. [And we have a content warning for our last song for themes and discussions of depression and self-harm]

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Mentioned in this episode:

The Shining, Stephen King

Frozen (2013)

"Stopping by Woods on a Snowy Evening," Robert Frost

The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe, C.S. Lewis

Fall Episode

Summer Episode

Holiday Episode

Greek Mythology Episode

“Right where you left me” deep dive

All Too Well 10 Minute Version Episode

Episode Highlights

[00:42] Winter as a literary device

[07:16] "Back to December"

[18:02] "The Moment I Knew"

[26:52] "Forever Winter" (content warning, themes of self-harm)

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"All that time I sat alone in my tower, you were just honing your powers. Now I can see it all, see it all." This week, we're deep diving "The Fate of Ophelia" (The Life of a Showgirl, 2025). We go line by line through the lead single from Taylor's latest album, exploring everything from Hamlet references to fairy tale imagery, the contrast between "high brow" poetic language and colloquial modern speak, and why this song is actually packed with green flags about healthy relationships. Join us as we unpack the land, the sea, the sky, and discover why keeping it 100 might just be the antidote to drowning in melancholy.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Hamlet, William Shakespeare

Becoming, Michelle Obama

10 Things I Hate About You (1999 film)

Greek Mythology - Persephone and the Underworld

Winter's Tale, William Shakespeare

Cleopatra, William Shakespeare

Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra

Episode Highlights:

[02:42] The title and opening verse: Megaphones, pyros, and public declarations

[05:50] Drowning in melancholy: The Tortured Poets Department connection

[13:20] Pre-chorus analysis: Towers, graves, and lighting up the sky

[29:00] "Keep it 100 on the land, the sea, the sky" - Jenn's breakthrough moment

[36:33] Pledge allegiance vs. swore my loyalty: Communal vs. individualistic language

[43:44] Verse two: Fantasy, scorpions, and Cleopatra references

[56:32] "Wrap around me like a chain, a crown of vines" - Self-referential Taylor

[01:02:17] The bridge: "'Tis locked inside my memory" and the Laertes connection

[01:09:32] The purpose: Rewriting endings and finding people who show up

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"Pretend he doesn’t know that he’s the reason why you’re drowning." This week we're exploring Shakespeare's "Hamlet" through Taylor Swift's lens, diving into the psychological depths of revenge, agency, and the fate of being a silenced woman. From the “Real Housewives of Shakespeare” (yes, really) to the drowning weight of societal expectations, we unpack how Taylor uses one of literature's most tragic figures to explore modern questions about independence, relationships, and female agency.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Hamlet, William Shakespeare

Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead, Tom Stoppard

The Lion King

The Traitors

Real Housewives

E92: Revenge Narratives

The Sound of Music

Sister Act

The Female Malady, Elaine Showalter

E31: Show and Tell - Shakespeare

E23: Mad Woman

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Episode Highlights

• [01:03] Hamlet 101
• [11:02] “I Knew You Were Trouble,” RED
• [23:50] “Anti-Hero,” Midnights
• [34:56] “The Fate of Ophelia,” The Life of a Showgirl

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"Ophelia lived in tragedy." In this preview of our paid subscriber bonus episode, we’re diving deeper into Hamlet. We all study it, and love it or hate it, there’s something about this particular play that keeps people talking about it. What about Shakespeare’s Hamlet, remains so relevant almost 500 years later? We talk briefly about its history, how it’s taught, why it’s culturally so important, the role of tragedy in theater and in Taylor Swfit's music, amongst other topics related to this incredible play.

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Mentioned in this episode:

• The Lion King
• Thor

• Thomas Kidd's The Spanish Tragedy

• Saxo Grammaticus' Gesta De Norum

• Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead, Tom Stoppard

• Something Rotten

• Hamnet, Maggie O’Farrell

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Episode Highlights:

[02:00] Introduction to Hamlet and Its Influence

[3:10] Hamlet's Influence on Modern Films

[4:06] Revenge and Psychological Themes

[5:50] Adaptations and Comedic Perspectives

[9:04] Literary Connections and References

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"What if I told you none of it was accidental?" On this special NYE edition, we're revisiting our Parallel Songs episode, which means you’re getting six show-and-tell songs instead of three! In this episode, we explore the concept of parallel songs in Taylor Swift's discography, focusing on thematic and lyrical connections between pairs of songs. We discuss the similarities between the carefree hangout vibes of “22” and the more mature perspective of letting loose in “Bejeweled”; the contrasting views of fate in “Invisible String” and agency in “Mastermind”. And, we take a technical lens to the songs “Labyrinth” and “You're Losing Me”, highlighting how they embody experiences of love and loss.

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Mentioned in this episode:

Eras Tour Surprise Song Mashup TikToks

Love Story Deep Dive

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Episode Highlights:

[02:00] Introduction to Parallel Songs

[05:07] Exploring “22” (Red) and “Bejeweled” (Midnights)

[13:20] Contrasting “Invisible String”(folklore) and “Mastermind” (Midnights)

[21:23] Analyzing “Labyrinth” (Midnights) and “You're Losing Me” (Midnights (from the vault))

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“I’ll be picking up bottles with you on New Year’s Day.” In honor of the holidays, we’re revisiting our 2023 Holidays episode. But…did we actually pick holiday songs? We start by defining what the “holiday season” even means in an attempt to answer the question. Jodi discusses “New Year’s Day,” with the thesis that it’s a song about the everyday, not necessarily the holidays. Jenn brings on the holiday melancholy with “champagne problems,” sparking a hot conversation about holiday engagements and the challenges of family gatherings during the holidays. And Maansi, naturally, shares “tis the damn season,” prompting a conversation about how we really feel about the holiday season and whether they “linger like bad perfume” for us. Are Taylor Swift holidays actually happy holidays? Listen and find out!

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Mentioned in this episode:

“Under the Tuscan Sun”

“How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days”

“Book Lovers,” Emily Henry

“Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone,” JK Rowling

“Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone,” film

“Inside Out”

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Episode Highlights:

[01:13] How do we define the holiday season?

[05:52] “New Years Day” I’ll be picking up bottles with you

[22:20] “champagne problems” Your mom's ring in your pocket

[36:40] “‘tis the damn season” We could call it even

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“We think of these bad things happening to me, or to us. If you flip it around correctly, and you react in a certain way, those things can be happening for you." Ever since we saw the cameras backstage at the Eras Tour, we’ve been waiting for a documentary to arrive, and this week we got to enjoy episodes one and two of this long-awaited glimpse behind the scenes. Check out this week’s episode where we dive into our reactions, the lessons we learned, and chat a bit about what else we hope to see in the next few episodes!

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