The New Testament

Should have a different title

The information was great but most of the lecture was spent looking at discrepancies in what we consider the New Testament today. A better title would be "Finding the Original New Testament" or "Inconsistencies in the New Testament". All in all, it was really interesting, just not what I thought it would be.

59 of 62 people found this review helpful

Excellent Historical Critical Perspective

A fantastic course on New testament history conducted by Bart Ehrman. This work addresses such questions as:

Who wrote the Gospels?
When were the Gospels written?
In what order were the Gospels written?
What discrepancies are in the Gospels and why?
Who the wrote the Pauline epistles?
How can we tell who wrote these books?

Ehrman is erudite and well-regarded among Biblical scholars. This work does not disappoint and I highly recommend this and other Great Courses by Bart Ehrman.

Note: This work is from a historical-critical perspective, not a devotional perspective. It is academia, not religion.

63 of 70 people found this review helpful

"critical review of the New Testament"

Would you recommend this book to a friend? Why or why not?

"Jesus should have said", " Paul meant to say" "or "if he meant this he should have said this" is too much speculation, when the narrator went out of his way to say how factual his analysis was.

How would you have changed the story to make it more enjoyable?

Would have preferred a title of "critical review of the New Testament".

Did the narration match the pace of the story?

Overly calculated in his presentation. Would have preferred a " collective consensus " of what the writers of the New Testament wanted Christians to learn from the collection of books.

If this book were a movie would you go see it?

No

Any additional comments?

I guess was OK but really focused much material on minutia vs substance of message.

5 of 5 people found this review helpful

Very interesting!

The narrator does a fantastic job of addressing a controversial subject with care. Keep in mind that this is a historical discussion of the New Testament, not a theological discussion.

14 of 18 people found this review helpful

If you want a balanced overview this is not it

Any additional comments?

For a few years I have heard of Professor Bart Ehrman and wanted to hear for myself. After listening to this series I have to say that I am underwhelmed. Maybe if he were teaching a particular topic in depth it might make a difference but I’m not going to spend the time to find out. For anyone who already has a decent background in Scripture studies, you will hear a lot of what is already familiar but outside of that you will constantly be saying to yourself, “He’s stretching it there”. If you have no knowledge of the scope of Scripture studies you might be led to believe that his opinions are generally accepted without question when they are actually not.
The main problem is that he makes so many leaps and presents them as if they are the accepted position of most or all scholars. Much what he says is basic scholarship, such as the Pastoral Epistles are most likely not authored by Paul, there are many variances, John is different from the synoptic Gospels, etc. You can get this basic information by reading any respected Bible overview. What is problematic is how he inserts his worldview, philosophy, and opinions into the text and passes it off as if should be accepted in the same vein as greater scholarship.
I’ll offer one example of many: He assumes that Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew (granted, Jesus did often teach an apocalyptic message) who did not teach as a Sadducee, Pharisee, or Essene (Huh? He had clear elements of the last two and practiced Temple worship. He clearly wasn’t “just” an apocalyptic teacher.) who was pointing to a future Messiah to come who was not him (Huh? Then the clear references to Jesus being the “son of man”, the Church’s consistent teaching, and the historical patterns that Jesus considered himself the Messiah should all be ignored as a later “invention”?). Well, wait, what about when Jesus says, “The son of man will be delivered over, be crucified, and rise…” like he does in all three synoptic Gospels? He never mentions it. I’m thinking he would say that was “invented” by the later church. That’s my main issue. When something agrees with his overly critical worldview it is left unchallenged. When something might not, it is ignored or glossed over as “changed by the later church.” Why not come to a different conclusion that Jesus considered himself the Messiah, the disciples understood that and retold it as a sacred history, the New Testament writers had differences for various reasons (different communities, theologies, cultures, times, etc.) but all recorded Jesus as believing and being the Messiah, and the Church as a whole preserved and passed that down intact even if other sects strayed and some details changed. Why not? Not so controversial, provocative, sensationalistic, critical, novel, or new? Regardless of why Ehrman comes to his conclusions just be aware that they have many more hurdles than he would like the listener to believe. This is just one example of many.
Another odd thing is that he throws in odd fundamentalistic Christian theology as if they are what Jesus or Paul taught. For example, he says Paul says “faith” is clearly defined as “trusting in the cross.” Again, this is an element of “faith” as Paul describes it as a whole but hardly complete. Boiling down faith to this minimum standard works in the early 1900s but it hardly explores the fullness of Paul’s understanding of "faith working in love" in first century Christianity. On the other end of the spectrum, I was surprised by how black and white he was about theories that are either complex or ones that had varied possibilities. He did offer some additional theories at times but usually only the safe ones that kept his perspective firmly in place.
So here is his basic theory: Jesus was an apocalyptic Jew who never claimed to be the Messiah. After he died people claimed to “see” him. The church was so chaotic that they could not have preserved any real or accurate history of Jesus so they created his divinity and Messiahship. All that can be known of the Historical Jesus is what is discovered by skeptical literary methods combined with a secular worldview. Paul “saw” him and made up another belief system that was in some ways similar but essentially different from the other disciples and churches. Paul taught that there wasn’t a participation in the Kingdom until Jesus came back. The New Testament varies so much that it isn’t reliable for an accurate historical assessment of who Jesus really was and taught… but Ehrman somehow is because he has these great modern insights! This is the worldview he reads back into the New Testament. For a balanced study, this is not a good starting point.
I was continually waiting for a legitimate insight. There were a few. What I found too often was a professor who shaped his teaching around his personal beliefs that were revisionist and secular while at the same time maintaining a fundamentalistic thread. If you do listen to this series, don’t think that it is the last word or a balanced take. Luke Timothy Johnson has a series that does a much better job of presenting current scholarship while alerting the listener of his personal opinions.

86 of 119 people found this review helpful

Good but presents this better elsewhere

Lectures very well done, but 90% of this is presented in a just as thorough and more polished and efficient form in the author'a book, Jesus Interrupted. Except for one passage discussing the 4 types of ancient Jewish religious sects, all is covered in Jesus Interrupted EXCEPT (and why you should still buy these lectures), a detailed description of Paul and his writings and role in the decelopment of Xianity (as the author admittedly overly simplifies as changing the bible from a story about Jesus to the story OF Jesus). So for all things Paul, these lectures provide a comprehensive overview. Overall, I love that the author knows all of this is b.s., but still takes the topic seriously interms of detail and scholarship. ** I should not that the supplementary materials did not download and audible after 6 days has not responded to my email about it.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful

Incisive

Bart Ehrman is my favorite writer on New Testament topics, and fortunately he is also an engaging teacher. The result here is a first-rate introduction to the history and content of the New Testament. Of particular interest are his account of the four gospels and his interpretation of Revelation (which he sets firmly in the context of Roman history). I've read a lot on this subject over the years, but Ehrman always manages to surprise me with new information or incisive analysis. Depending on what you're looking for, this may be an excellent addition to your library; but you should note that Ehrman is writing as an historian, and his approach is more skeptical than some people of faith will be comfortable with.

10 of 15 people found this review helpful

Clear, Wide-ranging, and Precise

Bart Ehrman's lectures are simply wonderful. Throughout his talks, he is clear and precise. Plenty of specific examples and verses are given. In all, the whole presentation was very eye-opening to me, a former member of the Jehovah's Witnesses. To be given such a clear and direct historical overview of the New Testament is incredibly refreshing.

7 of 11 people found this review helpful

Probably the wrong title

I agree with other reviewers who have suggested this course could be more accurately titled to express that it's primary focus regards "analyzing the New Testament" or "a critical review of the New Testament." It's a great lecture series, but I think perhaps Ehrman or another lecturer could do a series that more comprehensively reviews the narratives and scope of the New Testament books without making the primary focus poking holes in biblical literalism. Let me be clear though: Ehrman is excellent and a joy to listen to.

2 of 3 people found this review helpful

disappointing

What disappointed you about The New Testament?

In my opinion, this is an attempt to inflict "death by thousand cuts" to Christianity, by disassembling both texts and historical data, cherry-picking facts and opinions, and then recreating a chimera of "historical Jesus" that has pretty much nothing in common with the Jesus of faith. Problem is, Jesus of the New Testament IS the Jesus of faith"

What could The Great Courses and Bart D. Ehrman have done to make this a more enjoyable book for you?

Avoid arbitrary statements - for example, the whole treatment of the "Son of Man" narrative clearly avoids other instances, when this title is clearly attributed to Jesus.

10 of 19 people found this review helpful