Rama II

Worst sequel I've read in a long time.

If this book wasn’t for you, who do you think might enjoy it more?

This book would be enjoyable to those who are not familiar with good sci-fi, though as they would have read the first book presumably I expect everyone will be disappointed with this book.

What will your next listen be?

Something not by Gentry Lee.

What do you think the narrator could have done better?

The narrator was fine, I don't think he could much more with the material.

What reaction did this book spark in you? Anger, sadness, disappointment?

Disappointment, this book is a terrible follow-up to Rama.

Any additional comments?

It's been said before, but this book was not written by Clarke and it shows, oh how it shows. It's utterly infuriating how it focuses not on Rama for most of the book but constantly digresses into backstory of the dull characters that have been sent to meet Rama, and those backstories really are a chore to sit through. Lee just needs to get to the point, maybe the publisher had a word count limit he had to get across because my word that it drone on.

All in all, not great.

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Takes A While To Get Going

I had read the first Rama novel, Rendezvous with Rama many years ago as a
child and had found myself rapt with its story of adventure and exploration
of the complete unknown. After having rediscovered this book now available
in audio form and narrated by Toby Longworth, I had relived my childhood
wonder by my second reading - or should I say listening of this classic.
However, I also spotted a sequel, Rama II which I had no idea was even
written and so knew this would be my next book selection on Audible. I could
also see that the excellent Toby Longworth narrated this one too and so
with great expectations I delved into the second instalment of the Rama
series of books.

My overriding complaint about this story is the totally unnecessary first 14
chapters. So much background history of the Earth after the previous Rama
encounter was given that was frankly just boring and did nothing for the
story. To me, this was pure padding of the worst kind and served to delay
the real start of the story until chapter 15. We also get a lot of other
socialization scenarios of the main characters dealt with in the wasteful
preamble too that also does nothing for the story. In my opinion the book
could have really started at chapter 15 which is where our odd crew finally
end up in space and approaching Rama II.

There followed a few chapters also wasted on really quite odd and
superfluous back stories before finally getting into the teeth and main
purpose of the narrative which was the exploration of Rama II. Once we do
get to Rama II the story immediately becomes more interesting but I felt
that the time spent there by the Newton crew was somewhat wasted as they
didn't seem to really explore too much. Given the size of the party
exploring the huge space craft I felt that multiple smaller teams could be
dotted around the vast interior and each could then ad to the detail of new
mysteries as they uncovered them. In some ways the previous book had the
crew exploring more aspects of Rama with the other key cities like Paris
and London seeing individuals or teams at least do some cursory
investigation. However, great emphasis is placed upon catching one of Rama's
crab-like robots which then was subsequently once captured hardly ever
mentioned again. In addition, the barely explored southern hemi-cylinder was
mostly ignored once more in favour of previously explored areas like the
city of New York and the cylindrical sea. Now, having said all this I would
like to point out that once the reader gets past all the unnecessary stuff
at the start of the book there is still an interesting story here and we do
get to see some new places inside Rama and so worth reading if for nothing
else but to set you up for the far more interesting third instalment in the
Rama series "The Garden of Rama".

The other oddity of this book and in fact several others in the sci-fi
genre I've read and from other authors is the incongruities of some aspects
of future life and technology. bear in mind that my observations are not
meant
to put readers off this story but rather as an aside to highlight how
authors do strange things that just don't make sense. OK, so this book is
set around the year 2200 and so it is rather remarkable that 23rd century
society still has people smoking cigarettes. Given the social trends even at
the time of writing this book, it is clear that smoking would very likely be
a thing of the past some 200 years into the future from the authors current
reference point. One reviewer stated that this book is of its time and I
believe hinted at a 1970's vintage for this story. I was actually surprised
to learn that this story was written around 1986 which makes these noted
oddities even less forgivable. Additionally, the technology used is
inconsistent too in that we see the use of "data cubes" for what appears to
be for storing personnel files and yet the reference to video tape and audio
tape is also made which suggests that at the time of writing that the term
"data" in a computer storage sense was thought to only apply to text files
and that video and audio data was still regarded as being stored on tape.
Quite amazingly short sighted and limiting notions considering the pedigree
of the authors in other technical areas. One character in the story made
mention of 30 books stored in her electronic notebook which also hints at
the lack of understanding at just how vast memory storage would become in
the far future. Given the computing trends already evident at the time of
writing the book it is clear that two decades of development let alone two
centuries
would see storage capacities expand exponentially.

The other rather limiting thing the authors did back in the first book and
so are tied into now is the notion that the Soviet Union persists into the
23rd century and how it would appear that only Cosmonauts rather than the
NASA Astronauts exist anymore. To assume that such political and ideological
concepts as the Soviet block would still exist centuries hence is therefore
locking the author and story into something already outdated. Another
renowned sci-fi author, been Bova also made this mistake in some of his
stories too and I wondered why such experienced authors that tell stories
set in the future make such references. Had the author said Russian rather
than Soviet he would've been on far less shaky ground as far as future
events were likely to unfold. Of course, no one can predict the shape of
future events but including such references when not necessary to the
narrative seems strange.

In addition, like Bova, Clarke and Lee have written into this story a rather
flawed group of characters for the most part. We see a crew that has one
member fall pregnant on the way to Rama II and a party involving free use
of alcohol which I find incredibly silly considering that the crew members
selected for such an historic and important mission could be allowed to
indulge in such things in addition to some of the petty squabbles or
friction seen at times. I'm not suggesting that there should be no human
foibles written into such a story but the level of unprofessionalism at
times is head-scratchingly odd to me.

Oh, one other thing I spotted was that the age of the universe was quoted at
18 billion years rather than the long accepted 13 odd billion as I recall. I
don't know if this was thought to be the case back in 1986 so I cannot be
sure I'm not being unfair but if this current belief was known back at the
books writing then this is very bad considering Gentry Lee's credentials.

Again, I stress that my rather sterile critique of the more technical flaws
in this book as outlined above should not put you off it. , Rama II despite its flaws has to be read if
you are planning to read the entire Rama series of books. if you started
this book at chapter 15 you'd save yourself a dull history lesson and
character back stories and then the other niggles mentioned would be just a
secondary minor matter.

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Uninspired

What did you like best about Rama II? What did you like least?

The best thing about Rama II is the sense of anticipation left over from the original Rama, which was great.

Has Rama II put you off other books in this genre?

It's certainly put me off the kind of book that just seems to have one name to promote it and another to write it. The writing style is different from the original, but with a few Arthur C Clarke tropes thrown in. Arthur C Clarke stories are speculative; they make you think 'what if' - this doesn't. Some scenes are actually (unintentionally) corny to the point of bad comedy.

Which scene did you most enjoy?

The opening scenes were quite good but failed to live up to the greatness of the original.

If this book were a film would you go see it?

If it was on TV I'd leave it on but would probably go to sleep half way through

Any additional comments?

Well enough read, but this story doesn't really contain the stuff you want from an Arthur C Clarke novel - in short, quite bland.

3 of 3 people found this review helpful

much weaker than the original rama

it was OK, but the switch to concentrating on the people rather than the mysteries of rama was a shame, especially as the characters were quite dull and predictable with little depth. will still probably listen to the next

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Book of its time

Would you consider the audio edition of Rama II to be better than the print version?

You can drive safely with the audio book...

Who was your favorite character and why?

I liked all the characters. All were quite sketchy and a little corny by today's standards, mind you. I guess I'd go for the American general or the mardy chief scientist. That said. most of the people in it are characters you'll love to hate.

What about Toby Longworth’s performance did you like?

He kept to the vintage vibe of the book very well.

If you made a film of this book, what would be the tag line be?

A rich slice of the future, 1970s style.

Any additional comments?

You need to take yourself back in time to when this book was written to enjoy the future it portrays. It's a very good story of you can do that. There are some laugh out loud moments though. Why does the chief female character (medic) also have to be an Olympic athlete who had an illegitimate child with the king of England? It's all a bit 'pass the brandy and cigars - we're going to have a business meeting now'. but it's charming in its own way.

3 of 3 people found this review helpful

Enjoyable, but nowhere near as good as the first

This is a sequel to the amazing first book by Arthur C Clarke. It was written by Gentry Lee and Arthur C. Clarke, though i believe the former had the majority influence.
It felt like a retelling of the first story again, but with more people. It was not as much fun as the first book, as you already knew what they were going to see when they descended. There were some good character moments, and the ending screams for another book (which there are).
While i do regret reading this book, i don't think i would have missed out if i didn't.

The quality of the audio was acceptable.

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This simply cannot have been written by A.C Clarke

What would have made Rama II better?

Jettisoning Gentry Lee before writing the novel.

Has Rama II put you off other books in this genre?

Its put me off any book with Gentry Lee as one of the authors.

What does Toby Longworth bring to the story that you wouldn’t experience if you had only read the book?

He does a brilliant job considering the vast number of nationalities that have unnecessarily been introduced into the story Some of his accents are a little....inaccurate eg. Cantonese accent instead of a Japanese accent, but he has an excellent voice for reading with gravitas as wider expression.

What character would you cut from Rama II?

Most of them! They were cliched, predictable, one dimensional and all far too perfect for a novel with the women being in ownership of 'long blonde hair' and exquisite fashion sense (described ad nauseum) right down to the 'dishonored' Japanese character.

Any additional comments?

If you enjoyed the first novel and hold it as being a masterpiece, please don't listen to this follow up as it will taint your perceptions of the concept. I was desperate to know the secrets of the Ramans but now, after this awful book, I'll just let it remain a mystery.

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Shame

Is there anything you would change about this book?

The book takes so long to get going. It starts off with some interesting global politics then we get much to long of an introduction to the characters(Most of which has no relevance). The whole big aliens spaceship seems to be lost in very predictable characters. The only character where the background really matters is the main character - Nicole who was interesting. Points in the story where big or strange things are happening and she starts to reminisce about her father and the chateau in France was a bit tedious after a while.

What was your reaction to the ending? (No spoilers please!)

Lots of questions are answered and you are left ready for where the next book will take you.

Have you listened to any of Toby Longworth’s other performances? How does this one compare?

Brilliant performance and would not have made it through the book if i had been reading it. His characterization was brilliant

If this book were a film would you go see it?

Possibly.

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UTTER UTTER UTTER DROSS

Easily the worst book I have ever read. If you want science fiction look elsewhere this is more like second rate mills and boon!
Nothing wrong with the narration but the storyline is complete nonsense and would be more at home in the kindergarten.
Avoid like the plague!
The original Rama is fairly good but they obviously got a 6yr old to write this dross.

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Barbra Cartland writes sci-fi

Would you try another book written by Arthur C. Clarke or narrated by Toby Longworth?

Yes

What was most disappointing about Arthur C. Clarke’s story?

That he co-wrote it, apparently with someone who doesn't understand sci-fi

What three words best describe Toby Longworth’s voice?

Dull, monotonous, boring

If you could play editor, what scene or scenes would you have cut from Rama II?

The first 3 quarters of the book

Any additional comments?

After the first Rama book this is a massive disappointment. It's a badly written book about feelings and personal history.

1 of 1 people found this review helpful