This podcast series follows Bruce as he interviews people from across different communities and industries who, in their own way, are fighting for a better web.

Bruce's victim this time is Alex Moore, co-founder of Open Web Advocacy. We discuss why web apps still barely work on the iPhone, the rule that forces every browser on iOS to run on Apple's engine and quietly limits what web apps can do, and the five year regulatory fight, spanning the UK, EU, Japan, the US and Australia, to change that. Alex also walks through the moment Apple tried to kill web apps across the EU entirely, and why he thinks Apple's privacy and security arguments don't hold up.

Chapters:

00:00 Introducing Alex Moore

01:31 What Open Web Advocacy does

02:49 The founders and volunteers behind OWA

04:31 Apple's attempted EU web app ban09:40 Why Alex took on this fight

10:17 The coffee shop job that started it all

12:28 Tweeting at WebKit and getting ignored

14:08 Turning to regulators instead of Apple

16:18 Every regulator OWA has approached

18:10 Is this just an anti-Apple crusade?

20:54 Why no other OS blocks browsers like iOS

23:35 Why does 10% of phones matter?

26:06 How interoperability makes or breaks apps

28:20 The real cost of Apple's 30% cut

29:55 Is Apple really more secure and private?

38:33 A day in the life of a web advocate

41:42 Are they going to win?

44:11 Closing thoughts and how to get involved

Show notes:

• Open Web Advocacy

• Alex Moore

• PWA open letter

• Apple rule 2.5 (the WebKit restriction)

• Stuart Langridge

• Japanese "Smartphone Act" (PDF)

• WebAPK minting

• How Russian firms get their apps into App Store despite sanctions

• "A plastic butter knife to a gunfight"

• Loupe app

• Apple says Safari's browser engine sandbox for orders of magnitude more secure than that for native apps [PDF]

• Fraudulent app attempting to impersonate our LastPass app on the Apple App Store

• Russell Crowe