A CMO Confidential Interview With Aarron Spinley, Director at the Field Bell Institute and Author of "The Customering Method."

Aarron discusses his belief that customer management deserves its own discipline as part of marketing, that understanding customer needs is the foundation of sales, and why popular metrics can be misleading.

Key topics include:

- Why you should "learn the asset versus learn instead of the measures"

- The need to focus on "unnatural churn"

- The difference between automation and service

Tune in to hear why he's not fully on board with NPS and a story about "trendy rabbit holes."

⏱️ Chapters

00:00 - Introduction to CMO Confidential and Guest Aarron Spinley

01:23 - Defining Customer Experience and "Customering"

04:35 - Limitations of Marketing Concepts and Survey Data in Customer Management

06:53 - Drivers of Customer Loyalty vs. Net Promoter Score (NPS)

10:11 - The Relationship Between Customer Satisfaction and Loyalty in Banking

12:30 - The Correct Sequence of Customer Management: Asset, System, Measurement

13:59 - Market Orientation vs. Sales Orientation within a Customer Base

27:28 - What Effective Customer Interaction Looks Like

30:02 - The Role of AI and Centralized Decisioning/Orchestration

32:52 - Career Advice: Focus on Fundamentals Over Tools

34:36 - Conclusion and Closing Remarks

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