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In this conversation, Christine Sine interviews Danae Ashley whose book 'My Sap is Rising: A Pilgrimage of Holistic Mental Health Healing with Hildegard of Bingen and Alfred Adler' aims to bridge the teachings of Hildegard and Adler in the context of health. They also discuss the concept of being a liturgical rebel. Danae shares her experiences with mysticism, the importance of personal rituals, and her passion for storytelling. The discussion also delves into the life of Hildegard von Bingen, exploring her contributions as a mystic, healer, and visionary, and how her legacy continues to inspire today. Christine and Danae discuss how chronic illness may be connected to deeper spiritual insights and the importance of understanding mental health holistically. The conversation emphasizes the value of community in mental health and the potential of spiritual experiences. They discuss the influence of Adlerian psychology and the significance of spiritual foundations in the healing process.

Takeaways

• Liturgical rebels seek connection to God outside of church.
• A mystical experience is any intense experience of connection to God.
• Hildegard von Bingen's work bridges spirituality and mental health.
• Holistic healing rests on spiritual foundations.
• Both Hildegard's healing and Adler's psychology treat and focus on the individual as an indivisible whole.
• Spiritual practices can include creative approaches to faith.
• Exploring nature spirituality is essential for holistic healing.
• Community engagement is vital in spiritual practices.

The Rev. Danae Ashley is an Episcopal priest, Adlerian psychotherapist, international speaker, and voiceover actress in the Pacific Northwest. Danae uses art, music, drama, poetry, and movement in counseling, spiritual direction, and creation of ritual. She has written for various online publications, as well as being a contributor to podcasts, books, and producing a play about fertility struggle. Danae's book, My Sap is Rising: A Pilgrimage of Holistic Mental Health Healing with Hildegard of Bingen and Alfred Adler debuted in March 2026. When not reading, writing, or speaking about Hildegard, you may find her traveling with her husband, making sure their rescue dog is living his best life, dancing with wild abandon to Celtic music, and serious karaoke. Learn more about her work at www.danaeashley.com.

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