For nearly a decade, one Philadelphia advocate has worked to end horse-drawn carriage rides in the city—not with outrage, but with strategy.

In this episode, I speak with Janet White, founder of Carriage Horse Freedom, about how she moved from street protests to drafting legislation, building scientific credibility, and proposing a viable replacement model that changed the political conversation.

We examine what it really takes to push for a legislative ban on a long-standing practice—and why persistence, data, and creative problem-solving matter more than credentials.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why incremental "welfare improvements" weren't enough

• How veterinary science shaped the case for a ban

• The public safety and liability issues cities must consider

• What it means to draft legislation instead of just demanding change

• The "ban-and-replace" model—and how electric carriages reframed the debate

Key Takeaway:
When you ask legislators to end a harmful practice, you need more than moral conviction—you need facts, strategy, and a workable alternative. Turning "stop this" into "here's something better" can make all the difference.

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