What happens to the value of software when everyone can make software?

Timestamps:
00:00 Welcome to The Panel
00:31 Brian’s Brighton Ruby trip
03:12 Building FlyWrite in the car
05:01 Why existing coding tools don’t work for writing
07:20 What FlyWrite actually does
11:37 Building version one with Fable
16:04 Jordan’s weekend build and first AI-native workflow
28:38 Claude Design and interactive prototyping
36:41 AI, software supply, and productivity
39:09 The Jeremy Giffin podcast episode
48:55 What AI means for Transistor and hosting
58:19 Google, Microsoft, Apple, and the AI distribution war
63:28 Figma, design careers, and the white-flag mindset
74:08 What happens to agencies and web designers
81:05 Transition pain vs. long-term upside
90:13 Becoming AI-native and where do displaced workers go?

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Superconductor
• faster.dev
• ConductorAI
• Cursor
• Flywrite
• Railway
• Base44
• Lovable
• Wildbit Blog (Natalie Nagele)
• Harvey ROI Calculator
• Spots.fm
• Spots (2018 archive)
• Product People shoutout (2013 archive)
• Claude Design
• Invest Like the Best — Jeremy Giffon
• Gal Shir on X
• Chef hierarchy pyramid
• The widening productivity-pay gap

Justin and Jordan talk about how Jordan made a change to their funnel and increased sign ups dramatically, improving team communication, conducting better employee reviews, and developing better workflows for project handoffs between employees when AI is being used.

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:45 Taking control of your funnel
05:24 Why trust matters in e-commerce
08:18 Optimizing the customer experience
19:10 Doubling sign-ups
23:08 Customer demand wins
25:34 Putting the credit card upfront
29:26 Customer demand and the funnel
31:56 Question your assumptions
35:00 Reviews, pay, and philosophy
44:14 Surviving survival mode
46:40 How we think about pay
49:00 Motivation and career growth
54:05 AI and developer ownership
01:00:54 Keeping the quality bar high
01:03:51 Building a culture of accountability

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Transistor.fm
• HeyRosy
• Claude AI
• Victor's Post on Market Pull
• Ryan Cohen
• Tony Fadell
• Cardhook
• The Walt Disney Company | Acquired

If you're trying to fix your funnel, where do you start? And how much of an impact do we think Fable is going to have on AI pricing?

Timestamps:
00:00 Intro
03:27 Impact of AI and Market Dynamics
06:24 Taking Control of Your Funnel
17:12 The impact of Fable on AI Costs
26:04 SpaceX IPO and Betting on Space
42:56 Opportunities for SaaS Businesses in 2026 with Domain Expertise
01:07:36 Allowances for kids works best in with communism

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Links mentioned in this episode:

• Data School
• Kickbacks.ai - Get paid for waiting
• SpaceX IPO Prospectus
• Fable AI
• AI sandwich
• After Automation
• OpenAI Considers Drastic Price Cuts (WSJ)
• SpaceX stock jumps after record IPO, making Musk the first trillionaire
• SpaceX is asking for $1.75. That's ridiculous (but I'm giving them money anyway)
• Andrew McCalip